Not everything is a "reboot"

[AndrewCrossett]

At some point people started saying "trope" when they really mean "cliche."

Unfortunately, it's hard to tell people in general that they're using a word incorrectly. The evolution of language is a direct democracy. Lots of words have changed their meanings over time, usually much to the annoyance of some people until it becomes so universal that no one notices anymore.

[Elmo]

When someone says "Magnificent Seven the new movie is a reboot" and one says "it's a remake" and the other guy says "same thing", well let me tell you something, they are not the same thing but 2 separate things and time for some education from a highly smart film person like myself.

i'm literally in tears lmao

[TomServofan]

i'm literally in tears lmao

Well it's true, i'm a passionate movie lover and know some things.

[TomServofan]

Reboot is a wrongfully used word. So is remake. As the OP said, "Batman Begins" was not a remake of "Batman" (1989) but a new take on a character, both movies coming from the same source material. I might argue that "Man of Steel" is a remake of "Superman" (1978) because it uses ideas that originated in "Superman" such as artificial intelligence Jor-El, the S as a symbol of the House of El (in MoS chosen by the House of El because it was the symbol of hope) and a number of other specific things that originated in "Superman" and were previously not part of the Superman mythology.

But I would generally say that a new version of a movie is only a remake if the original movie was the first appearance of the character or story.

My personal peeve is the overuse of "trope" to the point I usually stop reading as soon as I see it. Every plot, idea, story and thought seems to be a "trope" in some people's minds. Technically, everything in a story is a trope but to hear some people tell it, all plots and stories are bad because, hey, they have "tropes".

Sorry for the momentary sidetrack.

And do you agree Rob Zombie's Halloween, Robocop and Elm Street are remakes while Rise of the Planet of the Apes is a true reboot?

[Alan2099]

Well it's true, i'm a passionate movie lover and know some things.

I too know things.

For example, a remake is when you try to make the same movie again (just updated). It's in the name. You're re-Making it,making it again. I'll give you Nightmare on Elm Street as a remake, but Rob's Halloween and Robocop were obviously trying to take the original idea and go a completely different direction with it. That's not a remake.

[Jokerz79]

I too know things.

For example, a remake is when you try to make the same movie again (just updated). It's in the name. You're re-Making it,making it again. I'll give you Nightmare on Elm Street as a remake, but Rob's Halloween and Robocop were obviously trying to take the original idea and go a completely different direction with it. That's not a remake.

I break it done like this

Remake: Remaking a property almost beat for beat if not fully.

Sequel/Prequel Reboot: A continuation of a former story but many years later.

Plan Reboot: Taking a property and restarting it but with no connections to previous incarnations.

Reimagining/Remake: Taking a property and reinterpreting it.

Although I wouldn't debate anyone if they have different opinions on the definitions of Remake vs Reboot.

[Alan2099]

I break it done like this

Remake: Remaking a property almost beat for beat if not fully.

Sequel/Prequel Reboot: A continuation of a former story but many years later.

Plan Reboot: Taking a property and restarting it but with no connections to previous incarnations.

Reimagining/Remake: Taking a property and reinterpreting it.

Although I wouldn't debate anyone if they have different opinions on the definitions of Remake vs Reboot.

That sounds like as good an explanation as any.

[AndrewCrossett]

I would say it's a true "reboot" only if it doesn't take into account (or accept as canon) anything that came before.

[TomServofan]

I too know things.

For example, a remake is when you try to make the same movie again (just updated). It's in the name. You're re-Making it,making it again. I'll give you Nightmare on Elm Street as a remake, but Rob's Halloween and Robocop were obviously trying to take the original idea and go a completely different direction with it. That's not a remake.

No! they are remakes plain and simple because they tell the same goddamn story as the original and aren't completely different like Batman Begins, Rise of the Planet of the Apes, Casino Royale or Spider-Man Homecoming.

[Darkseid Is]

Where does the sequel/reboot "seaboot" come in?

[Alan2099]

No! they are remakes plain and simple because they tell the same goddamn story as the original and aren't completely different like Batman Begins, Rise of the Planet of the Apes, Casino Royale or Spider-Man Homecoming.

No! You are wrong and I am right!

Because I know at least a thing and am an expect at watching movies.

And Robocop and Halloween have some of the same plot points but they're nowhere near the same story the originals were.

[Mormel]

Where does the sequel/reboot "seaboot" come in?

Steven Seagal: ...my new romantic comedy.
Jay Leno: Oh, a new movie! What's it called?
SS: It's called When Harry Met Sally 2.
JL: Oh, a sequel! Are we catching up with Harry and Sally? Ten years into the marriage or something?
SS: No.
JL: Oh, what's it about?
SS: Basically I saw this movie called When Harry Met Sally, and I really liked it. So I made When Harry Met Sally again.
JL: Oh, okay. So it's a remake.
SS: No, no. It's When Harry Met Sally 2, is what it is.
JL: So it's a sequel.
SS: No, it's not a se-- I made it, it's When Harry Met Sally 2.
JL: It's a remake.
SS: No, I didn't remake it, I made it. Once. When Harry Met Sally 2, is what it is.
JL: A sequel.
SS: When Harry Met Sally 2.
JL: A remake.
SS: When Harry Met Sally 2.
JL: A sequel.
SS: When Harry Met Sally 2.
JL: It's a remake.
SS: When Harry Met Sally 2.
JL: A sequel.
SS: Hey, hey, Jay. Tell you what. How 'bout I knock that chin back where it belongs?

[Jokerz79]

No! they are remakes plain and simple because they tell the same goddamn story as the original and aren't completely different like Batman Begins, Rise of the Planet of the Apes, Casino Royale or Spider-Man Homecoming.

No Rob Zombie's Halloween isn't the same story if it was maybe I'd like it more but he explored Michael's past something I hated. RoboCop the original was the story of a man rediscovering his humanity with social commentary while the new one which I didn't like never lost his humanity. The only one I'd call a remake is Nightmare on Elm Street. The rest are reimaginings taking the original concept and reinterpreting it.

[mr_crisp]

Steven Seagal: ...my new romantic comedy.
Jay Leno: Oh, a new movie! What's it called?
SS: It's called When Harry Met Sally 2.
JL: Oh, a sequel! Are we catching up with Harry and Sally? Ten years into the marriage or something?
SS: No.
JL: Oh, what's it about?
SS: Basically I saw this movie called When Harry Met Sally, and I really liked it. So I made When Harry Met Sally again.
JL: Oh, okay. So it's a remake.
SS: No, no. It's When Harry Met Sally 2, is what it is.
JL: So it's a sequel.
SS: No, it's not a se-- I made it, it's When Harry Met Sally 2.
JL: It's a remake.
SS: No, I didn't remake it, I made it. Once. When Harry Met Sally 2, is what it is.
JL: A sequel.
SS: When Harry Met Sally 2.
JL: A remake.
SS: When Harry Met Sally 2.
JL: A sequel.
SS: When Harry Met Sally 2.
JL: It's a remake.
SS: When Harry Met Sally 2.
JL: A sequel.
SS: Hey, hey, Jay. Tell you what. How 'bout I knock that chin back where it belongs?

Third base

[Powerboy]

And do you agree Rob Zombie's Halloween, Robocop and Elm Street are remakes while Rise of the Planet of the Apes is a true reboot?

I couldn't say because I've never watched any of the Halloween movies, old or new. I just have no great interest in the horror genre other than a rare exception. I've never seen any of the Freddie movies and I've never seen any of the Jason movies.

I haven't seen the new Robocop stuff. I saw the first two of the original Robocop movies. Again, not a fan of the Dystopian future genre, again with exceptions. Or maybe just not a fan of most takes on the concept which I find empty and superficial.

I have not yet seen any of the new Apes stuff but they are the only ones you mentioned that I have any interest in seeing. Having read the novel by Boulle, I found the 1960s/ 1970s movies fun but superficial. I saw the Marky-Mark one but don't remember much about it other than the ending more resembling the book. The new stuff sounds interesting but none of the movies or shows have ever reached the level of the novel and I was disappointed to hear that the latest version is again ignoring the novel in favor of their own take.

Yes, from what I do know, Apes is a reboot.