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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleric of Hell’s Brigade View Post
    I would say because we don’t know? It was one off. Was it because Storm Breaker had just been made and bonded with him? Is it something that is constant? It didn’t heal his eye.

    It was kind of nebulous.
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    Although he already had the mechanical eye before he got Storm Breaker

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twickster View Post
    Because reaction speed and movement speed are two completely different things. Ozymandias can move his arms fast enough to catch a bullet, that doesn't mean he can move his legs fast enough to propel himself at bullet speeds.
    You can move your legs just as fast as your arms. Reaction speed and movement speed are different, but that usually comes up in the context of people who can fly very fast but not react nearly as fast, like Superman. Diana can dodge a bullet (by moving using her legs) just like she can block a bullet with her arms. Someone can have high end reaction speed without high movement speed, but that would mean they can perceive a bullet coming at them, but can't do anything about it.
    Likewise, the movement speed feat with Ares is not what you think it is. She is only so fast that one soldier is able to shoulder and fire his firearm at her accurately while she is running at them from 100" or so away.
    I was not referring to when she was running at the soldiers, but rather when Ares is about to smash her and she zips out of the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StupidMoniker View Post
    You can move your legs just as fast as your arms. Reaction speed and movement speed are different, but that usually comes up in the context of people who can fly very fast but not react nearly as fast, like Superman. Diana can dodge a bullet (by moving using her legs) just like she can block a bullet with her arms. Someone can have high end reaction speed without high movement speed, but that would mean they can perceive a bullet coming at them, but can't do anything about it.

    I was not referring to when she was running at the soldiers, but rather when Ares is about to smash her and she zips out of the way.
    They are completely separate things. I just gave you the example of Ozymandias, do you claim that he can zip around the arena as fast as a bullet?

    Moreso that there is a specific counterexample of an enraged Diana moving just fast enough over around 100" for a soldier to shoulder his weapon and fire, accurately, at her. Nothing on screen shows her being able to move distances as fast as a bullet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twickster View Post
    They are completely separate things. I just gave you the example of Ozymandias, do you claim that he can zip around the arena as fast as a bullet?

    Moreso that there is a specific counterexample of an enraged Diana moving just fast enough over around 100" for a soldier to shoulder his weapon and fire, accurately, at her. Nothing on screen shows her being able to move distances as fast as a bullet.
    https://youtu.be/_mqF63Ufj_4
    At around 1:38 she blitzes Ares for her best movement speed feat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twickster View Post
    If just Superman alone, ironically less effective than Diana. Mostly because Clark exclusively does blunt-force damage, and Thor eats those for breakfast, and the sun feat makes Thor largely heat-vision proof. Clark would still be blitzing him to no tomorrow, but AOE lightning helps with that.
    Justice League showed Superman to be roughly half the speed of lightning in combat, the bolts coming off Flash were about as fast as he was, and Clark was moving roughly half as fast as Barry. And we know it's electricity because they used it to power the cube. He could hit Thor a hundred times a second and Thor would be moving in very slow motion to him. If I had to give an example, maybe...this much difference. The lightning may tag him but Clark can take quite a bit of punishment, keep in mind a nuke messed him up but only after two doses of kyrpto-gas and exposure to the spear, I wouldn't say he was at his best. Heat vision might not work, but Superman can beat on Thor literally at will, without reprisal.

    Quote Originally Posted by StupidMoniker View Post
    https://youtu.be/_mqF63Ufj_4
    At around 1:38 she blitzes Ares for her best movement speed feat.
    And when Steve died a normal soldier was able to aim and fire at her accurately when she's moving at speed. She's fast, but not fast enough. Here, watch.

    https://youtu.be/wnrnfno1zAM?t=178

    The whole time she's tearing through those men, she's deflecting bullets. That means they were firing at her as she was still moving. She's simply not fast enough in traversal speed to get to Thor before he gets out of her reach, or hits her with the jumbo-bolt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StupidMoniker View Post
    https://youtu.be/_mqF63Ufj_4
    At around 1:38 she blitzes Ares for her best movement speed feat.
    What, that she blindsides Ares from a camera angle where we don't see her coming? Even considering she somehow evaded being buried under the rubble, it still took her a couple of seconds to cross the distance to hit Ares. That's not a good a feat as you think it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvel-Studios Rep View Post
    Why are you guys ignoring the fact Thor healed from fatal wounds instantly the moment he got Storm breaker? I think Storm breaker Thor either has instant healing or he's at entirely new level of durability in base, which is above even his star showing. Either way WW doesn't "cut hard enough" to defeat Thor. Thor's durability exceed Doomsday, I'd say.
    Thor also instantly healed in Thor 1 when he got Mjolnir back.

    It seems to be a one-off thing, coming whenever he gets new powers.

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    In light of what I have just borne witness to, how is this even a debate?
    Yeah, but if you... man, we're getting into weird analogy territory, like if you disintegrated Superman's arms he wouldn't be able to go "fool! Little did you know that my arms and I are one and can be remade from me!" and will his arms back into being from pure nothingness. - Pendaran

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    Yeah it's not a debate. Wonder woman stabs him before he can react

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchist View Post
    Thor also instantly healed in Thor 1 when he got Mjolnir back.

    It seems to be a one-off thing, coming whenever he gets new powers.
    Yea thats totally possible, but the way Tyrion said “he needs the hammer!” Makes me think he knows Stormbreaker can heal him as one of its abillities, or that Stormbreaker just upgrades him to the point that stars do Jack and sh*t

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    What were WW feats against Steppenshit? Did the sword cut off his appendages?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dork Knight View Post
    Yeah it's not a debate. Wonder woman stabs him before he can react
    Not really a surprise that you are vastly overrating Windy's movement speed again.

    She's very fast, and much quicker than Thor. But she's not so fast that she can cross 100 feet to Thor literally before he can react, and once he's reacting, she's toast.

    Thor has many feats for reacting to energy bolts that cross more than 100 feet in much less than a second (check the film), and he always them away with the hammer. All he has to do is start reacting and she's done. He can jump, he can fly again, he can aoe massively (like what he does in this film to clear hundreds of meters of... Everything... In the Wakanda fight). And she's not stopping Stormbreaker: it will walk right through anything she can defend with.

    Not to mention that he has some pretty ludicrous healing ability as well. Non kill shots just won't cut it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twickster View Post
    What, that she blindsides Ares from a camera angle where we don't see her coming? Even considering she somehow evaded being buried under the rubble, it still took her a couple of seconds to cross the distance to hit Ares. That's not a good a feat as you think it is.
    She literally disappears and then reappears from out of frame. She moves faster than we the audience or Ares (who is certainly faster than a normal human) can perceive. The fact that in another scene soldiers are shooting at her is a lower showing. We don't know what she was doing in the time it took her to come around and hit Ares, all we know is that she is clearly visible about to be crushed, then she disappears without us seeing her move, then she reappears somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_adventure View Post
    Not really a surprise that you are vastly overrating Windy's movement speed again.

    She's very fast, and much quicker than Thor. But she's not so fast that she can cross 100 feet to Thor literally before he can react, and once he's reacting, she's toast.

    Thor has many feats for reacting to energy bolts that cross more than 100 feet in much less than a second (check the film), and he always them away with the hammer. All he has to do is start reacting and she's done. He can jump, he can fly again, he can aoe massively (like what he does in this film to clear hundreds of meters of... Everything... In the Wakanda fight). And she's not stopping Stormbreaker: it will walk right through anything she can defend with.

    Not to mention that he has some pretty ludicrous healing ability as well. Non kill shots just won't cut it.
    No she is a high end bullet timer who can shield a crowd from a hail of gunfire at close range while basically shuffling, she's not sprinting or anything to do this

    So given the absence of Thor's speed feats anywhere near that level, he gets impaled through the skull. Yes Thor could get her with an AoE, but as noted

    She's very fast, and much quicker than Thor. But she's not so fast that she can cross 100 feet to Thor literally before he can react, and once he's reacting, she's toast.

    Thor has many feats for reacting to energy bolts that cross more than 100 feet in much less than a second (check the film), and he always them away with the hammer.
    The absence of actual, bullet time feats even in the argument you want to provide for him, but can't, means, he gets gutted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dork Knight View Post
    No she is a high end bullet timer who can shield a crowd from a hail of gunfire at close range while basically shuffling, she's not sprinting or anything to do this

    So given the absence of Thor's speed feats anywhere near that level, he gets impaled through the skull. Yes Thor could get her with an AoE, but as noted



    The absence of actual, bullet time feats even in the argument you want to provide for him, but can't, means, he gets gutted.
    Again, you are confusing a couple of things here. She's a bullet timer, sure. But she doesn't have movement speed like a bullet. So she cannot cross 100 feet before Thor, who absolutely has feats for swatting away near-bullet speed blasts and such with obvious REACTIONS TO THE SHOTS, before he can jump away, fly away, or just knock her back with an air before raining the pain. If she started on HtH range, sure, she can stab him faster than he can do anything about it. But she's not crossing 100 feet before someone who outright precisely reacts to things that cross that distance in a small fraction of a second can react with any number of ways to ruin her day.

    And this doesn't even get to him getting creative and just bifrosting her into the heart of the sun or something, which he should be able to do just fine, given that they state that the hammer can do it, and he DOES it just after, bifrosting himself from the ass end of nowhere onto the Wakanda battlefield.

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