Quote Originally Posted by PsychoEFrost View Post
Wolverine told Cap 2 things: 1) The Phoenix Force was a force of death and destruction with zero other redeeming qualities. Considering he fought alongside Jean during the original Phoenix saga, and was present during the Morrison run makes this a lie. 2) Scott only wanted to risk the Phoenix to bring Jean back to life. That's as blatant as it gets.

1) Cyclops wasn't forcing Hope to do anything. The bird was coming for her, and everyone knew it. He was training her to host it, zero wrong with that. His training was strict, but that's Scott.
2) The creation of X-Force was to save the remaining 200 mutants, something Wolverine agreed with. The Purifiers, FOH and Reavers needed to be eliminated or every mutant was dead.
3) Namor went off and did his own thing, something Scott completely disagreed with him on.
4) The Phoenix killed Xavier. Scott was clearly no longer in control of his actions, unless you want to argue Jean murdered over a billion people of her own free will, and therefore the Avengers are working with someone who has killed more living sentient beings than Hitler, Stalin, Doom, and Pol Pot combined.
5) Emma going crazy under the Phoenix isn't shocking.

It didn't matter what Steve thought he was doing. He was a US Government force attacking Utopia for the purpose of arresting an innocent mutant. Something the X-Men have dealt with literally their entire existence. He didn't come to talk or "help". He came with an army to arrest the girl and takedown anyone who disagreed. That is a complete facist move. The Avengers had literally zero experience ever dealing with the Phoenix, hence why they went to someone with a pathological hatred and grudge against it. Scott had been dealing with the Phoenix for almost a decade by that point. There is no other way to spin it. The Avengers were completely and totally wrong from the word go.
Well, it was known that Jean was the ultimate host of the Phoenix and it still did her wrong. U really can’t blame Logan for taking extra cautious measures to protect the earth from the PF. It killed Jean and it could have destroyed the earth. In my opinion, Scott was being selfish and irrational. Putting the earth and humans at risk isn’t a smart move and he should’ve expected the Avengers.

1. She had no will to host it And even if it’s “that’s Scott training style” doesn’t make it any less abusive though. She’s a child. Steve would never allow that and Shouldn’t allow it
2. For this point, I believe you are insinuating that it was self defence? Well then, in that case .. why did Scott make it an underground thing. He kept it from almost everyone. He knew it was wrong and immoral and still green-lit it. Recruiting children too. Gg Summers
3. I know Namor did it. But what was Cyclops reaction? He didn’t condemn it publicly. Namor faced no repercussions for his action from Cyclops(his leader). He was still on the team. Cyclops is an accomplice
4. No, I don’t think Jean Grey killed billions willingly. But, and that’s a big but, Jean wasn’t seeking out this enormous powerful cosmic force unlike Scott. Him losing control and the Phoenix taking over is a prove of Cyclops fuck up and miscalculation. And he thought a 15 years old is capable of hosting it? Really, Summers? Really?
5. That’s the point; they were seeking out this powerful force without cooperating with the avengers and then they fell flat on their faces because they were too arrogant to listen.

Captain America didn’t come to Utopia to arrest Hope. They wanted to escort her and protect her. Steve did come and talk .. diplomatically but Scott was too stubborn and filled with hatred. He didn’t listen to Captain America .. Cap had the avengers waiting incase it didn’t go well because Logan had warned him and he was right about Cyclops behaviour. Steve came in bargaining peacefully but Scott didn’t want to cooperate.

The avengers/X-Men .. literally any superhero group deal with new shit everyday. So the argument that Cyclops has an experience with the PF isn’t really a solid point because as we have seen .. he couldn’t handle it either.

I think you interpreted the whole event differently, my friend.