I've been tired of Wolverine for a long time, but that's about it.
I really don't like Cyclops as a villain.
Sam Nova just doesn't interest me, though Rich was one of my favorite characters.
I don't like Punisher, and really find all the Symbiotes to be a turn-off.
Yes, obviously, my favorite character and almost all Marvel characters.
But do you realise that only Scott Summers and Hank Pym are eternally punished for something that happened 30 years ago.
Do you understand my point?
Also, according to Marvel, Scott is a villain, a terrorist and Hitler, and him alone.
Last edited by CuteClops; 05-14-2018 at 03:47 PM.
I do agreed, tearing down fictional characthers or hating then is pointless, as i said, i don't really hate any of the ones that i mentioned, i just dislike then for certain reasons. Writters and editors should be the one to blame because they took those decisions, after all. As a casual fan of Steve Rogers, it does annoy me when people call him a facist, because that doesn't really fit Cap at all, but i had something similar going with Hank and Scott, so a part of me kind of symphatizes with then, althought i don't like how they go about it.
Correct on the sanity part. He was in the middle of an accute manic episode. He did not send himself to jail. The two events are unrelated.
Correct.
Although I would argue about the use of the term "beating up" but as usual you're exhausting me.
Things happen between the jail time and the WCA time. Egghead's accomplices abducted Hank in the middle of his trial, forced him to work for Egghead again, but Hank, having now overcome his manic phase (as it happens with BPD) managed to defeat Egghead. Clint saved Hank's life by shooting Egghead while he was trying to kill Hank. Then Hank left New-York for a while and went to work in a private lab somewhere in the mid-west, and we didn't see him for a couple of years after that.afterwards, Clint Barton gave him a spot on the West Coast Avengers as if nothing had happened. if he was insane, he shouldn't have been allowed to continue on as a superhero. it would make him a danger to the public; especially because he refuses treatment for his "illness" (see: Avengers A.I.).
After those few years, he went to see Clint and the WCA, and Clint offered him a spot, as Hank and he had always been good friends.
And it's not "illness". It's a real illness. A real-life illness.
I really wonder why you seem to imply that Hank didn't take responsibilities for what he had done. He literally spent years trying to atone for what he had done, he'd still be doing it if he weren't dead. Jan forgave him a long time ago, even before Busiek's run, when they were in the WCA together. What Johns and Austen wrote later on contradicts everything every writer has written before them.
"You don't raise yourself by stepping on somebody else"
Currently looking for a pull list... Does near-mint West Coast Avengers count?
#givebackthesuit
#stopstealinghisstuff
i've learned over the years that characters don't deserve any sort of 'hatred' as they don't have autonomous action. they have no free will.
there are quite a few characters who are used in ways i dislike, but that's not what this thread seem to be asking.
A couple that of characthers that i forgot to mention:
Bendis Norman Osborn: Now many Spider-Man fans don't like the fact that he came back, either becuase they think that it ruined the "Death of Gwen Stacy" story or that he was changed too much, i dissagreed with thise notions and i think that bringing him back was a good thing, but what Bendis did to him, turning him over by Luke Cage and making hin an Avengers enemy was going to far and really didn't make sense, i think that it was goos for him to face other heroes outside of Spider-Man, but Dark Reign was an overkill.
Iron Man: This is more about his relation with Peter Parker than anything, i don't think that Tony is a bad characther, nor i do have any ill will toward him for Civil War, but i really have with turning him into a mentor/father figure for Spidey, because i think that it goes against the characthers concept and i'm dissapointed that they went with that direction in the MCU. It doesn't help that they way that the two are written while together is basically "Dude we both like science OMG", is pretty shallow and is a disservice to boths IMO.
Yeah, Marvel really did need a wake-up call, from Avengers and X-Men fans alike, so I do sympathize with all of we readers, no matter which character is preferred. It just seems that they keep trying to recreate the success of the original Civil War story by continuously pitting all of their heroes against each other event after event after event but it's had the opposite effect. It's actually alienating readers who are just plain sick of it, because in the process of creating 'sides' they've taken away many of the aspects of the characters that are likable (and recognizable). Plus it made fandom a battle ground and really, super unpleasant, which also causes interest to wan. It worked the first time because of the drama associated with shock value. But shock value works once, then loses it's edge. The writers and editors are entirely accountable for that. We'll see if the new EIC can manage to fix it. The April numbers were promising.
It doesn't hurt, also, that Bendis is now gone since he was a heavy perpetrator of this.
The hell?
Cyclops pre Bendis was amazing. He is easily one of the best fictional characters there is.
And is easy to hold that point of view when your favorite character is the Gary Stu of the Marvel Universe and the symbol of "perfection" and everyone must adore him. Trying to speak to other fanbases from that angle is actually not productive, especially when said character is the nemesis/rival of the other character and one of the major reasons why that character is having a hard time.
I don't mind Cyclops haters or Steve lovers personally but let's call a spade a spade, please!!!
When Henry was part of WCA, he pretty much chucked the superhero montra. After an encounter with Whirlwind, Pym severely questioned his self-worth and was about to shoot himself when Firebird ended up talking him out of it and talking to him about the person he needed to be. After this, Pym redefined himself as Dr.Pym, scientific adventurer, in regular street clothes.
Completely disagree.
Any form of literature will create an impact/bond with the reader and there will be those characters that create real antagonistic views on people.
And that's fine!!!
If it creates that sort of emotion, even if negative, the character is written well (most of the time).