Characters you hate.

[BitParallel]

Wolverine told Cap 2 things: 1) The Phoenix Force was a force of death and destruction with zero other redeeming qualities. Considering he fought alongside Jean during the original Phoenix saga, and was present during the Morrison run makes this a lie. 2) Scott only wanted to risk the Phoenix to bring Jean back to life. That's as blatant as it gets.

1) Cyclops wasn't forcing Hope to do anything. The bird was coming for her, and everyone knew it. He was training her to host it, zero wrong with that. His training was strict, but that's Scott.
2) The creation of X-Force was to save the remaining 200 mutants, something Wolverine agreed with. The Purifiers, FOH and Reavers needed to be eliminated or every mutant was dead.
3) Namor went off and did his own thing, something Scott completely disagreed with him on.
4) The Phoenix killed Xavier. Scott was clearly no longer in control of his actions, unless you want to argue Jean murdered over a billion people of her own free will, and therefore the Avengers are working with someone who has killed more living sentient beings than Hitler, Stalin, Doom, and Pol Pot combined.
5) Emma going crazy under the Phoenix isn't shocking.

It didn't matter what Steve thought he was doing. He was a US Government force attacking Utopia for the purpose of arresting an innocent mutant. Something the X-Men have dealt with literally their entire existence. He didn't come to talk or "help". He came with an army to arrest the girl and takedown anyone who disagreed. That is a complete facist move. The Avengers had literally zero experience ever dealing with the Phoenix, hence why they went to someone with a pathological hatred and grudge against it. Scott had been dealing with the Phoenix for almost a decade by that point. There is no other way to spin it. The Avengers were completely and totally wrong from the word go.

Well, it was known that Jean was the ultimate host of the Phoenix and it still did her wrong. U really can’t blame Logan for taking extra cautious measures to protect the earth from the PF. It killed Jean and it could have destroyed the earth. In my opinion, Scott was being selfish and irrational. Putting the earth and humans at risk isn’t a smart move and he should’ve expected the Avengers.

1. She had no will to host it And even if it’s “that’s Scott training style” doesn’t make it any less abusive though. She’s a child. Steve would never allow that and Shouldn’t allow it
2. For this point, I believe you are insinuating that it was self defence? Well then, in that case .. why did Scott make it an underground thing. He kept it from almost everyone. He knew it was wrong and immoral and still green-lit it. Recruiting children too. Gg Summers
3. I know Namor did it. But what was Cyclops reaction? He didn’t condemn it publicly. Namor faced no repercussions for his action from Cyclops(his leader). He was still on the team. Cyclops is an accomplice
4. No, I don’t think Jean Grey killed billions willingly. But, and that’s a big but, Jean wasn’t seeking out this enormous powerful cosmic force unlike Scott. Him losing control and the Phoenix taking over is a prove of Cyclops **** up and miscalculation. And he thought a 15 years old is capable of hosting it? Really, Summers? Really?
5. That’s the point; they were seeking out this powerful force without cooperating with the avengers and then they fell flat on their faces because they were too arrogant to listen.

Captain America didn’t come to Utopia to arrest Hope. They wanted to escort her and protect her. Steve did come and talk .. diplomatically but Scott was too stubborn and filled with hatred. He didn’t listen to Captain America .. Cap had the avengers waiting incase it didn’t go well because Logan had warned him and he was right about Cyclops behaviour. Steve came in bargaining peacefully but Scott didn’t want to cooperate.

The avengers/X-Men .. literally any superhero group deal with new **** everyday. So the argument that Cyclops has an experience with the PF isn’t really a solid point because as we have seen .. he couldn’t handle it either.

I think you interpreted the whole event differently, my friend.

[PsychoEFrost]

Well, it was known that Jean was the ultimate host of the Phoenix and it still did her wrong. U really can’t blame Logan for taking extra cautious measures to protect the earth from the PF. It killed Jean and it could have destroyed the earth. In my opinion, Scott was being selfish and irrational. Putting the earth and humans at risk isn’t a smart move and he should’ve expected the Avengers.

1. She had no will to host it And even if it’s “that’s Scott training style” doesn’t make it any less abusive though. She’s a child. Steve would never allow that and Shouldn’t allow it
2. For this point, I believe you are insinuating that it was self defence? Well then, in that case .. why did Scott make it an underground thing. He kept it from almost everyone. He knew it was wrong and immoral and still green-lit it. Recruiting children too. Gg Summers
3. I know Namor did it. But what was Cyclops reaction? He didn’t condemn it publicly. Namor faced no repercussions for his action from Cyclops(his leader). He was still on the team. Cyclops is an accomplice
4. No, I don’t think Jean Grey killed billions willingly. But, and that’s a big but, Jean wasn’t seeking out this enormous powerful cosmic force unlike Scott. Him losing control and the Phoenix taking over is a prove of Cyclops **** up and miscalculation. And he thought a 15 years old is capable of hosting it? Really, Summers? Really?
5. That’s the point; they were seeking out this powerful force without cooperating with the avengers and then they fell flat on their faces because they were too arrogant to listen.

Captain America didn’t come to Utopia to arrest Hope. They wanted to escort her and protect her. Steve did come and talk .. diplomatically but Scott was too stubborn and filled with hatred. He didn’t listen to Captain America .. Cap had the avengers waiting incase it didn’t go well because Logan had warned him and he was right about Cyclops behaviour. Steve came in bargaining peacefully but Scott didn’t want to cooperate.

The avengers/X-Men .. literally any superhero group deal with new **** everyday. So the argument that Cyclops has an experience with the PF isn’t really a solid point because as we have seen .. he couldn’t handle it either.

I think you interpreted the whole event differently, my friend.

1) Hope is 15, and trained by the greatest mutant soldier ever (Cable). She took down the entire Serpent Society by herself with zero backup. Scott was 16 when he joined the X-Men. Bobby Drake was 15. The child thing is incorrect.
2) He kept it from everyone because it isn't what Charles would want. It was a hard decision to make. But it needed to be done. Otherwise more mutant students were going to die.
3) Did you read the event? Namor was defeated, and arrested. Scott never said anything about it because we don't see him again until the Avengers retreat to Kun Lun. In fact, Namor worked with the Avengers sooner than Scott ever saw him again.
4) Scott never wanted the Phoenix (and only hosted it because Iron Man shot it). And while hosting it, he made the world a better place according to three of the smartest living beings (Beast, Panther, Mr. Fantastic). He only lost control after the Avengers attacked him (on orders from a president that hates mutants) several dozen times.
5) There wasn't opportunity for cooperation. Steve landed on Utopia, demanded they hand over Hope to the government, and that's it. Maybe you don't read X-Men comics, but the government does that all the time. And every time, it's to do something horrible to that mutant. Captain America is an agent of the US Government. Scott made the correct call every X-leader would make.

There was no "peacefully" as you put it. As Scott said during the event: "You don't bring a helicarrier full of the most powerful Avengers when you want to talk." He came there looking for a fight. Scott and Emma were the leading Phoenix experts on the planet. Scott helped Jean in the past. Emma previously hosted it. The Avengers had no one on their team that had remotely that level of experience. They were going on proven lies by a known sociopathic murderer. The Phoenix is a force of life and rebirth, not this Avatar of Death the Avengers were scared into thinking it was. Jean knew that. Rachel knew that. Scott knew that. Logan did not know that. The Avengers screwed up pure and simple.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. I believe you also misread almost the entire event, but that's just me I guess.

[BitParallel]

1) Hope is 15, and trained by the greatest mutant soldier ever (Cable). She took down the entire Serpent Society by herself with zero backup. Scott was 16 when he joined the X-Men. Bobby Drake was 15. The child thing is incorrect.
2) He kept it from everyone because it isn't what Charles would want. It was a hard decision to make. But it needed to be done. Otherwise more mutant students were going to die.
3) Did you read the event? Namor was defeated, and arrested. Scott never said anything about it because we don't see him again until the Avengers retreat to Kun Lun. In fact, Namor worked with the Avengers sooner than Scott ever saw him again.
4) Scott never wanted the Phoenix (and only hosted it because Iron Man shot it). And while hosting it, he made the world a better place according to three of the smartest living beings (Beast, Panther, Mr. Fantastic). He only lost control after the Avengers attacked him (on orders from a president that hates mutants) several dozen times.
5) There wasn't opportunity for cooperation. Steve landed on Utopia, demanded they hand over Hope to the government, and that's it. Maybe you don't read X-Men comics, but the government does that all the time. And every time, it's to do something horrible to that mutant. Captain America is an agent of the US Government. Scott made the correct call every X-leader would make.

There was no "peacefully" as you put it. As Scott said during the event: "You don't bring a helicarrier full of the most powerful Avengers when you want to talk." He came there looking for a fight. Scott and Emma were the leading Phoenix experts on the planet. Scott helped Jean in the past. Emma previously hosted it. The Avengers had no one on their team that had remotely that level of experience. They were going on proven lies by a known sociopathic murderer. The Phoenix is a force of life and rebirth, not this Avatar of Death the Avengers were scared into thinking it was. Jean knew that. Rachel knew that. Scott knew that. Logan did not know that. The Avengers screwed up pure and simple.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. I believe you also misread almost the entire event, but that's just me I guess.

1. All these other examples are just as bad. I’ve always disliked the fact Charles Xavier recruited teens. It is wrong. No matter how how experienced is Hope , she was too young to host the PF. Jean was a grown ass woman and it still messed her up.
2. It’s self defence though. Cyclops shouldn’t care about what Charles would want? I find it a weak excuse. I’m sorry.
3. Scott only cared about finding the Avengers whereabouts and was going to attack if they hadn’t left.
4. Them losing control of the PF was bound to happen. It is what the Phoenix is all about and what was worrying Logan all along.
5. Literally the first pages was Steve convincing Scott to hand over Hope and “They” since Cap utter the word “we” .. the Xmen and Avengers would solve the problem but Cyclops wasn’t having any of it.

The hellicarrier was the back up plan and Logan had warned Cap about Cyclops. Cap was just being careful, he never wanted to use the other avengers but Scott pushed him. Cyclops used physical force first too. The Phoenix Force is the force of creation and rebirth but it had caused destruction and pain so Logan isn’t entirely wrong, his concerns were valid.

Maybe we have to agree to disagree, but I gotta say calling Cap or the avengers hypocrites or facists is Mr Fantastic stretch. You might disagree with their actions (although I think they were right and heroic)calling Steve; Captain Facist has no merit.

[babyblob]

I am watching Guardians vol 2 and I saw the cameo by Howard the Duck. I really hate him. He has been one of my least favorite Marvel characters for some time. I never found him funny.

[Michael Watkins]

616 Kyle Richmond. He's just such a disappointment on every level. They take their Batman analogue and make him the Defenders equivalent of Scrappy Doo.

[Starter Set]

Hate is maybe not the precise word to describe it but...Namor? Really?

Cyclops after House of M.

[shooshoomanjoe]

Magott. Not really hate him but a very annoying character.

[KangMiRae]

I hate Gabby, lol.

[CRaymond]

Mmmmm Kitty Pryde.

[Silver Fang]

If Marvel doesn't stop showing him so much, Sabretooth is heading for this list with me.

They pretty much wasted the AXIS story line, which is the only time his character was interesting since 2002. Not counting Pak's terrible work.

Now that he's back to a bland, Mystique-whipped, punching-bag of the week, they need to stop wasting panel-time on him. His character is not worth it, not interesting. Give other D-listers some attention. lol Any of them can do what he's been doing as an antagonist for the last 13 years he's been one.

Hasn't become hate yet. Right now, seeing him in anything I planned to read is frustrating & eye roll inducing. House of X / Powers of X. But hate won't be too far off at this rate.

[Coatl]

In the top of my list i have two characters Batman (yes I know he doesn't belong to this thread but still) and Wolverine. Ironically I really like Nightwing and Tim and Laura and Daken, also I'm starting to hate Damian and Gabby.

In lesser extent:

Sentry.- Too much power, so he is boooring also he magically played a major role in the lives of a ton of heroes for no reason
Franklin Richards.- Same problem, too much power
Valeria Richards.- Yes, I know that looks like a problem against the F4 but no, I really tried to like her. She was too "smart" and "mature" for a toddler, at point that instead to look "cute and smart mouthed" she was more like creepy and vain.
Moon Girl.- Too similar to Valeria.
Hope Summers.- She was time lost and a total brat. Mutants could have been re empowered by other means and I like Rogue better as a power copycat.
Beast.- He used to be one of my favorites but has become an hypocrite with a "holier than you" attitude.
Wanda.- Same as Beast I used to love her but nowadays I can't stand her. Not only whipped mutants, but her behavior after that was less than stellar, also she has the habit to become possessed being manipulated and abuse her powers at the drop of a hat.
Black Bolt/Medusa.- Some time ago my favorite couple but... poisonous gas over the mutant population and then killing the person who was working of fixing their mistake, and then throwing **** over his memory, bad, pretty bad.
Alex Summers.- This guy really has to grow up and stop blaming his brother for his own shortcomings.
Squirrel girl.- She was fun as joke, but when they forced her in the main universe the joke lost all the fun.
Quentin.- Too much power wasted in a scumbag who has had too much opportunities on life and insist on being a salty, cringy, bi...rat who hurt everyone just because he can.
Wiccan.- Too much power wasted in a emo crybaby.
Miss America.- Like, really? The lesbian superman who came from a planet full of lesbians? And why the hell she call herself "Miss America"? She is not even from this planet even less from America. Also her attitude is terrible.
Black Panter.- Marvel is trying to make him "The marvel equivalent of Batman" and they are succeeding him I now see him as an unbearable gary stu who lives in garystutopia where he has a plan for everything, the best toys, everybody loves/respects him, follow his orders without complain or they are wrong/evil/stupid, yes, just like Batman.

[ETMike1988]

Star-Lord was great during DnA's Guardian. But after that... he became the greaters loser in the Galaxy! He is now just a Deadpool level idiot who can't do everything! He is a f**king joke, a sorry excuse of a living being!

[MyriVerse]

Top 5 with many, many bullets...
Squirrel Girl
Gwenpool
Deadpool
Sentry
And Kang.

Honourable mention to Apocalypse.

[maklelin highbain]

Top 5 with many, many bullets...
Squirrel Girl
Gwenpool
Deadpool
Sentry
And Kang.

Honorable mention to Apocalypse.

I am with you on all of these with the exception of Kang (love him but don't understand how he doesn't win every time. When he gets beaten head home and then take as long as he likes and returned fully rearmed with a fresh army 30 seconds after his defeat. The heroes will still be recovering and he hits them again. This method he could use over and over until all his foes are defeated)

But let's add a few more:

America Chavez - I find her about as interesting as paint drying. Overpowered but so very boring.
Quentin Quire - Another overpowered character that is tall on power and low on actual character. Yay a grumpy teenager just what the world needs more of.

[Immortal Hulk]

I can't say I hate a character, but the ones I don't like it all are:

Deadpool
Squirrel Girl
Storm
Cable

There are probably more.