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    If the returned JSA is from "an" Earth 2, there's no reason Diana shouldn't be part of the JSA.

    However, if the JSA is from Prime Earth (as seems the case so far in Doomsday Clock), then I vote no. Diana has had enough tampering and upending of her origins without an additional wrinkle that turns everything on it's head AGAIN. The fact that Diana can't return to Themiscira "ever" and hasn't so far in her career means she would have been active throughout the last 80 years. That changes everything. Also, she came to Man's World because Steve crashed on the island and he's still young. So, again, no vote.

    A JSA from Prime Earth either needs to not have Diana, OR have a Diana replacement. Miss America or Liberty Belle (somebody in the patriotic category) would be great, or else Hawkgirl. I prefer a bonafide golden age character IF there's a replacement, rather than some newly created character.

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    If the returned JSA is from "an" Earth 2, there's no reason Diana shouldn't be part of the JSA.

    However, if the JSA is from Prime Earth (as seems the case so far in Doomsday Clock), then I vote no. Diana has had enough tampering and upending of her origins without an additional wrinkle that turns everything on it's head AGAIN. The fact that Diana can't return to Themiscira "ever" and hasn't so far in her career means she would have been active throughout the last 80 years. That changes everything. Also, she came to Man's World because Steve crashed on the island and he's still young. So, again, no vote.

    A JSA from Prime Earth either needs to not have Diana, OR have a Diana replacement. Miss America or Liberty Belle (somebody in the patriotic category) would be great, or else Hawkgirl. I prefer a bonafide golden age character IF there's a replacement, rather than some newly created character.

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    The Wonder Woman movie and Rebirth's missing years in addition to Johnny Thunder's Thunderbolt's HUAC actions leave plenty of room and options to come up with anything. I get not liking it, but with the storytelling DC has done over the years, anything could happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptCleghorn View Post
    The Wonder Woman movie
    which shouldn't have any impact on the comic book stories

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptCleghorn View Post
    and Rebirth's missing years in addition to Johnny Thunder's Thunderbolt's HUAC actions
    which also aren't very clear yet, since we don't know if the Thunderbolt actually did anything that would have caused the JSA to vanish (unless it's been specifically shown in Doomsday Cluck).
    Do we know anything more than Johnny Thunder says he told the Thunderbolt to get the JSA members away from the HUAC hearing and they haven't been seen since? Do we know if the Thunderbolt actually caused them to vanish from that hearing? Back in the original story of when the JSA vanished from that hearing, Johnny Thunder was no longer a regular, active member (having essentially been replaced by Black Canary).

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptCleghorn View Post
    leave plenty of room and options to come up with anything. I get not liking it, but with the storytelling DC has done over the years, anything could happen.
    Way too many options/questions, and nowhere near enough answers after two-and-a-quarter-years since DC Universe: Rebirth #1.

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    Here's one I don't think anyone has suggested: Diana left Thymescria in the early part of the 20th century, and Steve Trevor's crash on the island is what sparked her departure. And Steve was there on a mission to end the war. But with two twists: first, Steve was suffering from amnesia for most of their first adventure together; and second, when his memories came back, he discovered that he was an unwilling time traveler from nearly a century later: the present. Steve then got brought back to the present, and Diana spent the next century in Man's World, and was a founding member of the JSA. There: a Wonder Woman from the World Wars era, whose career was catalyzed by Steve Trevor, and who has her supporting cast in the present rather than the past.
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    Or go the other way around: her origin story plays out more or less as Marsden envisioned it, with Steve crashing on the island etc.; but then have him heroically sacrifice himself over the Arctic Ocean to stop a German doomsday weapon, only to survive in a sort of suspended animation until he gets revived in the present.

    Again, it lets you have Steve play a crucial role in Diana's origin story while still being around in the present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    which shouldn't have any impact on the comic book stories
    DC's been changing their comic book characters to fit other media examples for decades. Jimmy Olsen, Batman's 1960's look, the Christopher Reeve Superman movie influence. That stuff's been done.

    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    which also aren't very clear yet, since we don't know if the Thunderbolt actually did anything that would have caused the JSA to vanish (unless it's been specifically shown in Doomsday Cluck).
    Do we know anything more than Johnny Thunder says he told the Thunderbolt to get the JSA members away from the HUAC hearing and they haven't been seen since? Do we know if the Thunderbolt actually caused them to vanish from that hearing? Back in the original story of when the JSA vanished from that hearing, Johnny Thunder was no longer a regular, active member (having essentially been replaced by Black Canary).

    Way too many options/questions, and nowhere near enough answers after two-and-a-quarter-years since DC Universe: Rebirth #1.
    Yep, we don't know. DC could still do anything. We actually agree here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dataweaver View Post
    Or go the other way around: her origin story plays out more or less as Marsden envisioned it, with Steve crashing on the island etc.; but then have him heroically sacrifice himself over the Arctic Ocean to stop a German doomsday weapon, only to survive in a sort of suspended animation until he gets revived in the present.

    Again, it lets you have Steve play a crucial role in Diana's origin story while still being around in the present.
    That seems...oddly familiar...

    (and maybe legally actionable)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptCleghorn View Post
    DC's been changing their comic book characters to fit other media examples for decades. Jimmy Olsen, Batman's 1960's look, the Christopher Reeve Superman movie influence. That stuff's been done.
    If they suddenly decide to make major changes to Wonder Woman's entire origin/backstory just because of what they did in the movie, it would basically mean that the Rebirth stories where Rucka was (supposedly) trying to clarify her history was also a Lie, which means Rebirth was even more pointless than DC has been treating it. (It was bad enough they kept Geoff Johns' idea of her brother Jason!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    Has that been specifically said about Diana in the Rebirth comic book stories?
    (I gave upon the series after Jason became the lead character under Robinson's run and don't remember one way or another.)
    Amazons have always been immortal, so even thought it did not show that if they are immortal in Rebirth. They most likely are. In the New 52, she was 23 years old and now in Rebirth she is stated to be born during the classical era. Rebirth keep changing some small stuff in stories, like in one issue she had her first meeting with both Superman and Batman but in the New 52, she met them when they were fighting Darkseid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovan2013 View Post
    Amazons have always been immortal, so even thought it did not show that if they are immortal in Rebirth. They most likely are. In the New 52, she was 23 years old and now in Rebirth she is stated to be born during the classical era. Rebirth keep changing some small stuff in stories, like in one issue she had her first meeting with both Superman and Batman but in the New 52, she met them when they were fighting Darkseid.
    Quote Originally Posted by kjn View Post
    From one perspective, that's correct. But it carries with it a rather big storytelling issue in the form of Diana's character.

    Normally, Diana experiences a coming-of-age story after she encounters Steve Trevor and goes out into Man's World. That was true for Marston, for Perez, for Rucka, for Azzarello, and for the movie. But imagine a historically active Diana who went out to fight in the Trojan War, corresponded with Hilda of Whitby and Hildegard of Bingen, helped inspire Joan of Arc, fought in the French revolution, and brought hope to the trenches of Flanders? Such a character would react very differently and bring an entirely different set of expectations than the "default" one, so much so that I'm unsure if she would be recognisable. That was an aspect I hadn't considered before.
    Now that you mention it, it does change the whole story of Diana because she would be already been familar with the modern's world. I like your idea of a Diana who participate in war events throughout the years.

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