X-Men: The Wedding Special Recap/Review

[244]

Just as a general FYI, please don't create categories of homosexual masculinity when no such things exist please.

Well, there is such thing as the “barazoku” subgenre in fiction...

(Or “bara” for short)

[Strong Girl Daken]

And he said "celebration of masculinity" one time. They're both BAD lines.

You read too much into things. I was pointing out that they're badly stereotypical lines. Some people defend Grace's Iceman like it was some wonderful flawless execution and it wasn't. It had a beautiful coming out story, but it should have just been that one story as a mini. Everything beyond was poorly executed.

I agree. He should've been on stage when Storm was doing Stripperoke with Rogue, Boom Boom& Iceman stuffing bills into his gstring lol.

"Yas qween" was said ironically, but seriously why get worked up by this line. I've said it once or twice in my life, I guess I'm nothing more than stereotype which is what you reduced Grace's Iceman to.
"Celebration of masculinity" was apparently said seriously.

I don't think Grace's Iceman was perfect. I loved the first arc and the last arc, and specifically the last issue was stellar. I hated Judah, moving to L.A, and the Champions arc. I don't think it's above critique, but I'd rather read that than Iceman hanging with some bros.

[yogaflame]

What is this suppose to be a reference too?

Austen's run.

[WhiteQueenEmmaFrost]

"Yas qween" was said ironically, but seriously why get worked up by this line. I've said it once or twice in my life, I guess I'm nothing more than stereotype which is what you reduced Grace's Iceman to.
"Celebration of masculinity" was apparently said seriously.

I don't think Grace's Iceman was perfect. I loved the first arc and the last arc, and specifically the last issue was stellar. I hated Judah, moving to L.A, and the Champions arc. I don't think it's above critique, but I'd rather read that than Iceman hanging with some bros.

Grace reduced to Iceman to a stereotype. That was the problem. Exactly.

Iceman was hanging with Boyos not bros. because apparently Cajun is the same was Scottish and Gambit = Banshee.

[Havok83]

"Yas qween" was said ironically, but seriously why get worked up by this line. I've said it once or twice in my life, I guess I'm nothing more than stereotype which is what you reduced Grace's Iceman to.
"Celebration of masculinity" was apparently said seriously.

I don't think Grace's Iceman was perfect. I loved the first arc and the last arc, and specifically the last issue was stellar. I hated Judah, moving to L.A, and the Champions arc. I don't think it's above critique, but I'd rather read that than Iceman hanging with some bros.

Grace's Iceman was very stereotypical to the point of being cringeworthy at times. I liked what he did with Bobby's powers and feats but hated his dialogue and the way he acted. He was a bit over the top to say the least as the writing was quite heavy handed

[Strong Girl Daken]

Grace reduced to Iceman to a stereotype. That was the problem. Exactly.

I get thinking Iceman was a stereotype if you only read one panel in 11 issues.


But there was depth in the series you are not giving it credit for.

Iceman was hanging with Boyos not bros. because apparently Cajun is the same was Scottish and Gambit = Banshee.

"Iceman and the Boyos" is the next arc of Gold / X-men themed gay porn.

[WhiteQueenEmmaFrost]

Grace's Iceman was very stereotypical to the point of being cringeworthy at times. I liked what he did with Bobby's powers and feats but hated his dialogue and the way he acted. He was a bit over the top to say the least as the writing was quite heavy handed

Exactly. The powers thing was ridiculously underused and has been for years. He's still not on the level (consistently) as when Emma was in his body and that's embarrassing. Xmen Forever actually did something with his powers. Grace's run was pretty much "gay iceman" and that's it. Everything else was given a couple panels.

[maxhilary]

And he said "celebration of masculinity" one time. They're both BAD lines.

I never said anything about the masculinity line. I was responding to your assertion that the yas queen line was less believable.

[WhiteQueenEmmaFrost]

I get thinking Iceman was a stereotype if you only read one panel in 11 issues.


But there was depth in the series you are not giving it credit for.


"Iceman and the Boyos" is the next arc of Gold / X-men themed gay porn.

Like I said two panels. "I'm never going to do it again" WHY!??!?! One tiny piece of development and it gets drops as soon as it happens. That's stupid!


Gugs writes like he's writing for porn.

[WhiteQueenEmmaFrost]

I never said anything about the masculinity line. I was responding to your assertion that the yas queen line was less believable.

"Yaaas Qween" is pretty much the direct opposite of "celebration of masculinity"

[maxhilary]

Grace's Iceman was very stereotypical to the point of being cringeworthy at times. I liked what he did with Bobby's powers and feats but hated his dialogue and the way he acted. He was a bit over the top to say the least as the writing was quite heavy handed

Grace reduced to Iceman to a stereotype. That was the problem. Exactly.

I guess that makes a sizable number of us in here stereotypes then. Like I could believe this line of criticism if he was sashaying around talking about his favorite pop queens and belting showtunes. But the level at which you're setting what constitutes stereotypical behavior is ridiculous IMO. The reality of it is that a LOT of gay or bi guys do talk and act that way, and for someone who's been in the closet for years like Bobby, experimenting with some of that and seeing if it suits him is something that has a lot of truth in real life. He said that line once while referencing that it would be a special occasion to say it, and you guys are acting like that defined his entire personality for the whole run.

[SonOfPsylocke]

I really liked the Callisto/Kitty convo. It was a nice nod to the past and felt really in character.
The Claremont bit was nice too. The middle was not good, everyone sounded out of character.

[mikeb]

When Meggan mistakenly said, "Kenny Logs" instead of Kenny Rogers, was Meggan referring to Kenny Loggins?
HTTP://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Loggins

[244]

I really liked the Callisto/Kitty convo. It was a nice nod to the past and felt really in character.
The Claremont bit was nice too. The middle was not good, everyone sounded out of character.

I don’t remember Callisto being Kitty’s adversary other than the X-men tangling with the Morlocks during the 80’s. Isn’t Callisto usually Storm’s?

[mikeb]

I don’t remember Callisto being Kitty’s adversary other than the X-men tangling with the Morlocks during the 80’s. Isn’t Callisto usually Storm’s?

Wasn't there a period when Peter and Callisto were on friendly terms when Peter came out of the Seige Perilous with amnesia?