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    Quote Originally Posted by jump View Post
    It was great to see the way Harley was used throughout, it has probably been my favourite portrayal of her in years.

    I can see this story sticking around and I expect to be a mainstay of top ten Batman stories the same way Long Halloween, Arkham Asylum or Hush are always on the list.
    I agree it's going to be an evergreen. Super easy to explain and sell concept. Appealing art. Standalone story that is perfect for new and lapsed readers. A list Bat characters. It has all of the elements that go into making a lasting tpb seller. If Murphy makes himself a bigger name, I could see this cracking the top five selling trades eventually. It's not beating Arkham Asylum, Dark Knight Returns or Killing Joke but I think any others could be eclipsed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. White View Post
    "Why try to address issues or themes from mainstream if you're going to use a different world to do so?" - Because if it was done mainstream, people may throw a tantrum that the writer is "trying to deconstruct Batman tropes and traditions".
    See, I don't really care about fans or their tantrums. If they enjoy the work, they can enjoy it. If they don't, they don't, and that's that. But this kind of story, particularly Jack's scheme against Batman, would've been compelling in a universe where Batman isn't just a one-dimensional, overly aggressive thug and Jack would've had more distrust towards him and his plead to reform, etc. Then again, I liked The Last Jedi.

    There's a bit of irony in your statement "...instead of talking like real people". This is a book that has a gator-man and one made of clay. #justsaying.
    Just because the science and physical details in that world are unrealistic doesn't mean the characters have to be. Characters are supposed to drive the story, not gimmicks. It's a little hard to get attached to characters when they wear their motivations and themes on their sleeve. Christopher Nolan's Batman movies had that same issue, and that's a more "realistic" take on the character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GamerSlyRatchet View Post
    See, I don't really care about fans or their tantrums. If they enjoy the work, they can enjoy it. If they don't, they don't, and that's that. But this kind of story, particularly Jack's scheme against Batman, would've been compelling in a universe where Batman isn't just a one-dimensional, overly aggressive thug and Jack would've had more distrust towards him and his plead to reform, etc. Then again, I liked The Last Jedi.



    Just because the science and physical details in that world are unrealistic doesn't mean the characters have to be. Characters are supposed to drive the story, not gimmicks. It's a little hard to get attached to characters when they wear their motivations and themes on their sleeve. Christopher Nolan's Batman movies had that same issue, and that's a more "realistic" take on the character.
    Quote Originally Posted by GamerSlyRatchet View Post
    See, I don't really care about fans or their tantrums. If they enjoy the work, they can enjoy it. If they don't, they don't, and that's that. But this kind of story, particularly Jack's scheme against Batman, would've been compelling in a universe where Batman isn't just a one-dimensional, overly aggressive thug and Jack would've had more distrust towards him and his plead to reform, etc. Then again, I liked The Last Jedi.



    Just because the science and physical details in that world are unrealistic doesn't mean the characters have to be. Characters are supposed to drive the story, not gimmicks. It's a little hard to get attached to characters when they wear their motivations and themes on their sleeve. Christopher Nolan's Batman movies had that same issue, and that's a more "realistic" take on the character.
    Ok. Get your distinction on "realistic" takes on characters vs. realistic science/physics of the world. I guess you mean something like Earth One Batman?
    Surprised at your critique of Batman's portrayal. While I won't call it one dimensional per say, I do recognise the "overly aggressive thug" as the one Murphy chose to put front and centre (let's face it Bats is quite aggressive). I wonder if you'd have found it one-dimensional if Murphy put forth the detective aspect of the character?
    All in all while it may not have been perfect, I did enjoy the take on the characters and world at large.

    By the way, there was nothing wrong with the Last Jedi

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    Fandoms will always disagree. Me, I like TLJ and I don't care about conservatives or SJW going at it online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aioros22 View Post
    Fandoms will always disagree. Me, I like TLJ and I don't care about conservatives or SJW going at it online.
    As someone yet to see the movie, without getting into spoilers, why would conservatives dislike TLJ?

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