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[Tazpocalapse]

RIP, Jumbo Carnation.



This isn't going super well for you.

Indeed R.I.P. Jumbo.

@ KurtW95 By Universal do you mean universally accepted by others outside the group or universally accepted within the group. Many different cultures in the world have things that some accept and others don't. Also some cultures have differing views on things within their own culture.

[KurtW95]

I mean more than a small group. If one there’s a family of people belonging to a certain race that have a tradition, that doesn’t mean it’s a tradition of that race.

[Disciple of Redd]

Yo...

Did The Animated Series never have any political tones?

If not, that explains a whoooole lot.

[AcesX1X]

Yo...

Did The Animated Series never have any political tones?

If not, that explains a whoooole lot.

well said.

[Devaishwarya]

Yupp. X-Men TAS is responsible for quite number of gross misconceptions about who and what the X-Men are.

[Triniking1234]

Yo...

Did The Animated Series never have any political tones?

If not, that explains a whoooole lot.

The Friends of Humanity were pretty prominent in TAS.

[yogaflame]

Obviously you haven't watched TAS.

The first season is all about politics, relevant even today after nearly 30 years(government registration of people of interest, the use of extrajudicial deadly force on American citizens, AI death robots).

Not to mention later episodes like Sanctuary 1/2(United Nations, mutant homeland), Repo Man(government testing), Weapon X, Lies, and Videotape(MK-Ultra).

[yogaflame]

The Friends of Humanity were pretty prominent in TAS.

Yes, the second season leaned in heavily into the FoH, which wouldn't be out of place in today's headlines(see Charlottesville, various neo-Nazi/white supremacist groups).

[AcesX1X]

Obviously you haven't watched TAS.

The first season is all about politics, relevant even today after nearly 30 years(government registration of people of interest, the use of extrajudicial deadly force on American citizens, AI death robots).

Not to mention later episodes like Sanctuary 1/2(United Nations, mutant homeland), Repo Man(government testing), Weapon X, Lies, and Videotape(MK-Ultra).

but were mutants a culture is the question

[Triniking1234]

but were mutants a culture is the question

Well Taz was correct that the mutants have different societies, such as the Morlocks and Genoshans and different societies have different cultures.

[Filthy Mutie]

Yo...

Did The Animated Series never have any political tones?

If not, that explains a whoooole lot.

Obviously you haven't watched TAS.

The first season is all about politics, relevant even today after nearly 30 years(government registration of people of interest, the use of extrajudicial deadly force on American citizens, AI death robots).

Not to mention later episodes like Sanctuary 1/2(United Nations, mutant homeland), Repo Man(government testing), Weapon X, Lies, and Videotape(MK-Ultra).

Yes, I was going to say: Beast spends the first season in prison because he wants to get All Rights for All People using the System, as opposed to being on the run after Magneto comes to bail him out. It later pays off - as much as it can in X-Men, where the world is constantly trying to escape a future where mutants are trampled under murderous robot toes.

[yogaflame]

I am personally not in favor of this 'mutant nation-state' concept that has been pushed more and more over the years. In the earliest run, Magneto's mutant state was positioned as a villainous idea(Santo Marco, etc). In Claremont's run, the mutant state was examined more from the idea of humans enslaving and becoming rich on mutants(Genosha). Mutant culture does not need a nation-state to flourish(Is there a gay nation-state? Is there gay culture? Is there a homogeneous gay culture across all gay individuals in various parts of the world? How much of that is due to mass media and corporations dictating what said 'culture' is/should be?). The Morlocks created their own culture. The X-Men have their own culture. So did Excalibur, X-Force, X-Factor, etc. Not one of them rallied behind the idea of a mutant nation-state, though(until the more recent epoch). For the majority of their publication, the X-Men have been about integrating into existing human cultures, not disconnecting and creating their own(that is more of a Magneto concept, as epitomized in his Asteroid M/Avalon concept, only later revived in the Morrison-era, also well examined in Claremont's X-Treme, under the new reality of a burgeoning mutant population set to replace the humans within a generation). With the Decimation event, the mutant nation-state concept was effectively demolished, but then you had the Utopia concept which tried to present 200 individuals on a floating chunk of lifeless asteroid as a sovereign nation.... Of course we all saw how that ended up.

[AcesX1X]

I am personally not in favor of this 'mutant nation-state' concept that has been pushed more and more over the years. In the earliest run, Magneto's mutant state was positioned as a villainous idea(Santo Marco, etc). In Claremont's run, the mutant state was examined more from the idea of humans enslaving and becoming rich on mutants(Genosha). Mutant culture does not need a nation-state to flourish(Is there a gay nation-state? Is there gay culture? Is there a homogeneous gay culture across all gay individuals in various parts of the world? How much of that is due to mass media and corporations dictating what said 'culture' is/should be?). The Morlocks created their own culture. The X-Men have their own culture. So did Excalibur, X-Force, X-Factor, etc. Not one of them rallied behind the idea of a mutant nation-state, though(until the more recent epoch). For the majority of their publication, the X-Men have been about integrating into existing human cultures, not disconnecting and creating their own(that is more of a Magneto concept, as epitomized in his Asteroid M/Avalon concept, only later revived in the Morrison-era, also well examined in Claremont's X-Treme, under the new reality of a burgeoning mutant population set to replace the humans within a generation). With the Decimation event, the mutant nation-state concept was effectively demolished, but then you had the Utopia concept which tried to present 200 individuals on a floating chunk of lifeless asteroid as a sovereign nation.... Of course we all saw how that ended up.

in order to have several micro-cultures, is it not a requirement to have a larger macro-culture from which they all branch?

[yogaflame]

in order to have several micro-cultures, is it not a requirement to have a larger macro-culture from which they all branch?

Sure, human culture.

The nation-state has outlived its usefulness. Why would mutants adopt a failed, antiquated notion when they are supposed to represent evolution and the future?

[AcesX1X]

Sure, human culture.

The nation-state has outlived its usefulness. Why would mutants adopt a failed, antiquated notion when they are supposed to represent evolution and the future?

nation-state or stateless-nation?