CW Green Arrow VS MCU Captain America

[Guy1]

Yea you kind of come off that way and I know you mentioned before you’re very sheldonesque, but for he most part regulars around here so read posts unless explicitly stated. They’ll disagree with the evidence presented as what is happening and have a different viewpoint unless it’s half dead Batman vs the Uncanny avengers in a hallway

Prep time or no?

[Froggy]

He didn't perform any speed feat that Oliver hasn't done himself. He has out drawn arrow catchers, dodged arrows coming at him while he is driving towards them on a motorcycle, and shot, and swung around all over the place as he, Flash, and Kara stopped a building in construction from falling apart. They are absolutely comparable in speed.

No one here has ever said Oliver was as strong as Cap, but strength alone isn't the decider when the other guy has superior soak, experience, and skill. All while being more than strong enough to hurt him.

plus wouldn’t thechase scene in civil war mean cap>Ollie whennit comes to speed?

[Froggy]

Prep time or no?

Lol none


This time

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[Marvel-Studios Rep]

I don't think Oliver has superior damage soak/durability.

Cap has taken from hits from Loki, Ultron, Ironman, Spiderman, and Corvus Glaive. In the case of Spiderman, it's clear he wasn't holding back so much that Cap couldn't gauge Peter would have been able to catch the cargo thing. Oliver has never been hit by guys that strong. Not even close. Cap's durability is well above his strength. And cap grit and will power exceeds even his durability.

The cliff drop of Ollie's was about how high? And wasn't it a fall on to snow?

Round 2: With the shield Cap obliterates Olivier's entire team.

[Guy1]

Lol none


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He has a plan for that!

[Cody]

I don't think Oliver has superior damage soak/durability.

He does actually.

Cap has taken from hits from Loki,

Who isn't even that strong? And was clearly not trying as we know it was all part of a larger plan.

Ultron,

Also not that impressive as nothing suggests he was as strong as even Thor, he was just really tough.

Ironman,

Who jobbed against two people he should have been able to blow up.

Spiderman,

Who also jobbed, as we saw with how he dealt with Bucky who was backed by Falcon.

and Corvus Glaive.

K, don't know how impressive that is.

Oliver has never been hit by guys that strong. Not even close.

So this just ignores everything that was posted between the examples I gave, and the videos Guy posted.

Cap's durability is well above his strength. And cap grit and will power exceeds even his durability.

As does Olivers.

The cliff drop of Ollie's was about how high? And wasn't it a fall on to snow?

Already stated that it was absurdly high and he did not land on any snow. It was flakes on the rock which was several apartment buildings down.

Round 2: With the shield Cap obliterates Olivier's entire team.

With someone who is comparable to cap in stats, while also having back up? Cap is overwhelmed. We're talking explosions from all around as well as gun fire all while he has no cover.

[Cody]

plus wouldn’t thechase scene in civil war mean cap>Ollie whennit comes to speed?

That's mostly running speed. Oliver has his own feats of out drawing arrow catchers, drawing and shooting down a card tossed at him at a mid ranged distance by a guy who has shown to throw the cards at such speeds they pierce metal, and dodging arrows shot at him as he drove towards them on his motorcycle.

Any faster and he'd be a CBPH.

[Nimroy]

That mountain feat tends to get severely overstated. Its not like he shrugged it off or anything, he BARELY survived the fall and spent weeks getting nursed back to health. Otherwise he would have died.

[Cody]

That mountain feat tends to get severely overstated. Its not like he shrugged it off or anything, he BARELY survived the fall and spent weeks getting nursed back to health. Otherwise he would have died.

It shows how much he can take. He was still moving around a bit afterwards, and it actually only took him days to recover, not weeks. And all that was done to him was that he was bandaged up.

[Guy1]

It shows how much he can take. He was still moving around a bit afterwards, and it actually only took him days to recover, not weeks. And all that was done to him was that he was bandaged up.

And Penicillin Tea.

[MorphyVSFischer]

The mountain feat is Spider-Man vs firelord imo. Nowhere in the show has he ever survived anything even close it it and he's been hurt by much less, which if were taking it seriously wouldn't do much to him at all.

[big_adventure]

Cody, sorry man, you're just wrong here about Ollie's durability. Cap is SIGNIFICANTLY more durable and has a great deal higher soak to boot. Ollie took that fall and nearly died. He could BARELY move, and took either days or weeks to recover. And that's Ollie's best. Ollie is far more durable than an ordinary person, of course, but he's not all that close to Cap.

Cap took a bomb in the face that knocked him through a window and totaled a car with his body outside. He got up, shook it off, and kept fighting. Cap jumped out of the elevator in TWS and hit the solid concrete ground, AFTER beating up 15 guys in said elevator with one hand, and getting hit with those "one shot everybody except Cap himself" stunsticks and shrugging that off as well. He got up, took out a quinjet in HtH, and kept right on trucking, without a bruise and without being slowed at all. He got hit by MCU Quicksilver, which did all of knock him down and make him say "there's an enhanced on the field" over his comms when he stood right up. The same Quicksilver who one-shots Ultron bots like tissue paper. He dove out of a speeding quinjet and went down something significantly over a thousand feet without a parachute, hit the water at something over resting terminal velocity (given that he DIVES into the water) and simply swims up to the anchor chain, climbs out, and parkours the ship, taking out all of the guards. He keeps right on going just fine, including lifting a massive steel girder off of Bucky, after being shot multiple times. He then lets the superhuman metal arm of Bucky take out his rage on him, completely unresisting, and talks to the guy while this is happening. Yes, that plus the fall eventually KOs him, and KO'd, he survives the fall to the water and isn't any worse for wear when next we see him awake (yes, Bucky hauls him to shore). Cap tanks multiple shots from Red Skull, the same Skull who punches an inch deep fist mark into Cap's original 3/4 inch thick steel shield. Those punches do something between "jack" and "squat" to Cap. You responded above about Loki as if that's no big thing: Loki is DEMONSTRABLY stronger than Cap, and Loki's hits didn't do anything other than knock Cap back. Loki is shown to be at least as strong as Valkyrie in their fight (though somewhat less skilled), and she casually grabs human-sized guys and tosses them hundreds of meters, while wasted drunk, and kicks the Hulk's legs out from under him like it's a joke. Not to mention that he's at least got to be around Sif level, and Sif casually kicks a bus across a parking lot.

As far as skill, well, just the elevator scene is beyond anything Ollie has ever done.

For strength, well, Cap's feats indicate quite nicely that he's be able to pop Ollie's head like a pimple, if Cap's not holding back. The helicopter, the motorcycle feats, smashing the submarine's window, ripping off the tank hatch, the off-screen feat of pushing the bulldozer across the field significantly faster than a strong meta managed on-screen, his jumps, managing to make Loki feel his shots (Loki being a guy who has taken hits from Thor without exploding, who lived through and somewhat rapidly shook off the "Puny God" moment, who takes multiple shots from the very superhuman Valkyrie, who stands right back up after a hard shot from Iron Man)... those are all way beyond Ollie's ability to soak.

So: Cap is as quick, as skilled and MASSIVELY more durable and MASSIVELY stronger. Plus his movement speed, endurance and acrobatic abilities are an order of magnitude above Ollie. Cap's casual early morning jog is half a marathon in a half hour, and he's not even breathing hard at the end. He and BP - who is blatantly superhuman thanks to the herb - simply run away from all of the other Avengers and the Wakandan forces when charging the beastie army in IW, with Cap ahead of BP.

And I HAVE watched every episode of Arrow.

This is just a total stomp: Cap wins both 10/10.

[Cody]

The mountain feat is Spider-Man vs firelord imo. Nowhere in the show has he ever survived anything even close it it and he's been hurt by much less, which if were taking it seriously wouldn't do much to him at all.

As I've already explained it's supported by other factors such as being punched around by bloodlusted mirakuru soldiers, blitz from Barry, and from an magically enhanced Dark who was casually ripping off metal from inside a subway and bashing Oliver over the back with it, which did all but nothing. It's consistent.

Cody, sorry man, you're just wrong here

No u

Cap took a bomb in the face that knocked him through a window and totaled a car with his body outside. He got up, shook it off, and kept fighting. Cap jumped out of the elevator in TWS and hit the solid concrete ground, AFTER beating up 15 guys in said elevator with one hand, and getting hit with those "one shot everybody except Cap himself" stunsticks and shrugging that off as well. He got up, took out a quinjet in HtH, and kept right on trucking, without a bruise and without being slowed at all.

Yeah, a lot of those falls involved using a shield to help him survive said falls. And we know the shield has a huge impact on this as it allows him to take hits from Thors hammer that utterly obliterates the surrounding forest. So that isn't just on him, but from the shield.

He got hit by MCU Quicksilver, which did all of knock him down and make him say "there's an enhanced on the field" over his comms when he stood right up. The same Quicksilver who one-shots Ultron bots like tissue paper.

Oliver took a blitz from Barry when Barry was casually moving people all over the place with one arm and even back then was much faster than MCU Quicksilver.

He dove out of a speeding quinjet and went down something significantly over a thousand feet without a parachute, hit the water at something over resting terminal velocity (given that he DIVES into the water) and simply swims up to the anchor chain, climbs out, and parkours the ship, taking out all of the guards.

Yeah most action heroes survive absurd falls into the water because directors think water could save a person from any fall. That isn't really as impressive as surviving a much, much deeper fall from the mountain.

He keeps right on going just fine, including lifting a massive steel girder off of Bucky, after being shot multiple times. He then lets the superhuman metal arm of Bucky take out his rage on him, completely unresisting, and talks to the guy while this is happening. Yes, that plus the fall eventually KOs him, and KO'd, he survives the fall to the water and isn't any worse for wear when next we see him awake (yes, Bucky hauls him to shore). Cap tanks multiple shots from Red Skull, the same Skull who punches an inch deep fist mark into Cap's original 3/4 inch thick steel shield. Those punches do something between "jack" and "squat" to Cap. You responded above about Loki as if that's no big thing: Loki is DEMONSTRABLY stronger than Cap, and Loki's hits didn't do anything other than knock Cap back. Loki is shown to be at least as strong as Valkyrie in their fight (though somewhat less skilled), and she casually grabs human-sized guys and tosses them hundreds of meters, while wasted drunk, and kicks the Hulk's legs out from under him like it's a joke. Not to mention that he's at least got to be around Sif level, and Sif casually kicks a bus across a parking lot.

Loki was holding back, as I've pointed out. And Oliver was taking hits from blood lusted Mirakuru soldiers who could flip cars and casually punch holes through steel shipping crates as if they were paper. That is above what Cap was taking from Bucky, if not at least comparable.

As far as skill, well, just the elevator scene is beyond anything Ollie has ever done.

It's not even remotely close. Oliver has not only done similar, but he wasn't hyped up on a steroid to do so. Most of Caps feats involve him being superhuman, not hyper skilled like Oliver.

For strength, well, Cap's feats indicate quite nicely that he's be able to pop Ollie's head like a pimple,

As I've pointed out that just isn't simply true as Oliver has gone toe to toe with stronger beings than Cap.

if Cap's not holding back. The helicopter, the motorcycle feats, smashing the submarine's window, ripping off the tank hatch, the off-screen feat of pushing the bulldozer across the field significantly faster than a strong meta managed on-screen, his jumps, managing to make Loki feel his shots (Loki being a guy who has taken hits from Thor without exploding, who lived through and somewhat rapidly shook off the "Puny God" moment, who takes multiple shots from the very superhuman Valkyrie, who stands right back up after a hard shot from Iron Man)... those are all way beyond Ollie's ability to soak.

Loki never once felt any of Caps shots. He was never even moved by any of Caps body shots, and the best shots to Lokis face turned his head a bit, that was it. He never once felt any of his hits, even when Cap threw his shield at him. Cap is stronger, but that isn't going to be enough by itself.

[quote]So: Cap is as quick,[quote]

Yep

as skilled

Nowhere near as he relies on his super steroid to take guys out as fast as Oliver does with his skill alone.

and MASSIVELY more durable

Nope, less so. Taking hits from bloodlusted super soldiers that are stronger than he and Bucky, taking a blitz from Barry when Barry was moving fully grown men around with one arm and knocking out and tying up no named mooks, surviving a several apartment buildings worth of a fall while being stabbed in the gut, shrugging off being bashed over the back by a metal arm piece ripped off from its chair by a magically enhanced Darhk, is above the guy who relies on his shield to survive most falls(said shield allows him to takes his from Thors hammer), and his super steroid in order to keep going from being hit by stun sticks.

and MASSIVELY stronger.

Oliver has chucked fully grown men around like they weighed nothing with one arm casually, and sent people flying and knocked out with kicks, and knocked them out with one punch. Cap is stronger, quite a bit so, but not so much that he can one shot a guy with superior soak and not too far off strength.

Plus his movement speed, endurance and acrobatic abilities are an order of magnitude above Ollie.

Yeah, Oliver swinging around like Spiderman while he and two beings with Super speed tied up a construction site whilst it was falling apart puts that into question.

Cap's casual early morning jog is half a marathon in a half hour, and he's not even breathing hard at the end. He and BP - who is blatantly superhuman thanks to the herb - simply run away from all of the other Avengers and the Wakandan forces when charging the beastie army in IW, with Cap ahead of BP.

No doubt he can run faster, which might help him in the weapons scenario, but not the h2h.

And I HAVE watched every episode of Arrow.

And I've watched all the movies except for Infinity War.

This is just a total stomp: Cap wins both 10/10.

You sure you've watched the show? For anyone who has wouldn't be saying this. Oliver wins scenario 1, 6/10. Scenario 2 is a bit up for debate, but Oliver has a lot of different type of trick and explosive arrows to make it a good fight.

[Nimroy]

Yeah sorry but its pretty telling that exactly 1 person thinks this is even a fight.
TV Arrow is Comic Book Human, maybe even Peak Human in some aspects.
MCU Cap is straight up comic book superhuman. It's just no contest.

MCU Cap wouldn't even have to work on the likes of Anarky, Lady Cop and whatever streetlevel villains of the week Oliver fights.

[Captain Morgan]

I think Ollie is probably faster; dude shoots grenade launcher shots out of the air, which I think edges Cap jumping in the way of them with the shield. There's a case to be made Ollie is more skilled-- while the choreography on Arrow is never as good as TWS (which probably has the best fight sequences of the genre) he starts off pretty dang good and his skills have narratively increased even as their choreography budget has gotten worse.

I don't think Ollie is more durable, even though some of Cap's stuff is being overstated as it relied partially on his shield or was against non-bloodlusted opponents. You could maaaaaybe argue for parity there? But I'm skeptical and think Cap wins on this front.

Strength is obviously Cap. As is running speed and probably endurance.