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f/k/a The Black Guardian
COEXIST | NOEXIST
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No one surrendered their privacy to be safe. They would have been murdered. This isn't some vague far off threat like say giving up privacy to combat future terrorism with the Patriot Act. This was a real, immediate threat as bullets were already flying.
This was effectively a war zone. People give up privacy in war zones all the time. Go to Afghanistan and tell me if you think theSoliders have the same rights and privacy that a normal citizen has. They do not. The Polish Army had automatic weapons, tanks, missiles and the like. It is perfectly normal for certain things to be given up when faced with such an immediate and militaristic threat.
At the end of the day, Jean prevailed with zero losses on either side. That is a win period. Trying to hold to some weird sense of privacy or pedantic morality given the nature of this specific conflict is naive idealism IMO.
Last edited by remydat; 06-16-2018 at 11:36 AM.
It's hard for me to listen to someone not in my position. A caterpillar can't relate to what an eagle envisions.
Actually, it didn't someone brought up Emma pushing an angry mobs "bliss button" as a comparison. There has yet to be an honest discussion about what's ethical and whats not and why the same ethics doesn't apply to all super-powered individuals.
My point was where are these threads about ethics when X-telepaths use their abilities however they like on a monthly basis?
This point was great, gave me lots of food for thought. Sometimes heroes do have to make morally questionable decisions, even if it would make some people (myself in this case) uncomfortable. I maintain that Taylor raised and dropped the question too quickly, but if it becomes a plot point later I'll be pleasantly surprised. I also still believe that Taylor explaining to us why it was moral isn't good enough, there's not enough there to convince me personally.
I'm sorry but Gambit's failure felt contrived to me, as does the idea that Jean action was the best and only option that she had. Jean's presence alone, not to mention Storm, makes any and all guns on that beach utterly useless. The soldiers may as well have had slingshots. You're right, if I was an innocent mutant on that beach and I didn't know who these people were, I would likely be hoping desperately that they had a plan, but as a reader I know that she and her team had many options. The threat being fictional only matters in as far as I know what Jean and her team are capable of.
That was more of an olive branch to share ideas and theories.
I don't think I've disregarded the context, apologies if it seems that way, but I guess a good reason we don't see eye-to-eye is that I consider the individual's mind as sacrosanct, and while Jean didn't brainwash them, she meddled with things that are by their nature to me on the morally gray area of actions. I've seen "heroes" in the MU abuse their telepathy on friend and foe alike, it's a larger issue that needs to be addressed, and maybe if the history of telepathy wasn't what it was in the MU it wouldn't bother me much - if at all.
Ethical? Of course not. But who the f@*$ expects anyone to be ethical in a fight?
I think a lot of people are confusing ethical with "did she do something wrong."
We only expect people to be ethical in a civilised society. People are killing people. The only ethical person in that situation is a dead person.