I view Morrison’s characterization of Jean to be a huge mischaracterization and outlier given her history. Morrison mischaracterized a lot of characters in his X-Men run IMO.
Yes
No
I view Morrison’s characterization of Jean to be a huge mischaracterization and outlier given her history. Morrison mischaracterized a lot of characters in his X-Men run IMO.
Good Marvel characters- Bring Them Back!!!
Ultimately I guess I understand why you might pause and wonder if whether this was okay or not, the fact of the matter is that there was nothing wrong with what Jean did. Think of it almost like a debate: the whole point is to show the other person that there is another viable side to your argument and you are meant to do everything that you absolutely can to convince them, or the audience, of that fact. Jean did this in issue one of the book as well with Kurt. If you were a telepath and wanted to convince someone of an idea, wouldn't you show it to them without forcing it on them? These soldiers were not stripped of their free will or choice. They saw the other side, through the power of telepathy, and chose to stop their assault.
Jean's approach since coming back and going forward is absolutely as non-violent as possible. Jean chose the most non-violent option.
Whether you like it or not, Morrison recharacterized Jean beautifully. If you want to vent about it and how you'd do it differently there was a whole thread made today by my friend Gifted precisely about this subject.
Last edited by Harpsikord; 06-12-2018 at 03:52 PM.
"We come into this world alone and we leave the same way. The time we spent in between - time spent alive, sharing, learning together... is all that makes life worth living." - Jean Grey
In a vacuum I don't have any issue with what he did, but Jean doing it does make me lean back in my chair a blow out a breath. Jean is being portrayed as some manner of paragon and her actions, for me, don't sync with that. The invasion of the mind doesn't gel with the heroic ideal.
I thought what Jean did was fine. She exposed the soldiers to what their actions were causing the mutants to go through, and then they decided to not go through with it. She didn't force anyone, and I would think the scene of the guy still trying to shoot Jean would have made that clear enough.
I guess every telepath needs to stop and ask the person that's trying to kill them, if its okay if they do something that would prevent them from doing so.
Last edited by Soulsword323; 06-12-2018 at 04:08 PM.
I guess it's understandable that people would have a problem with her forceably making people feel what others are feeling and sharing their experiences/memories without permission, but in this case I rather have people being forced to see the other side rather than people being forced to have their life taken from them.
The issue was clearly going for a WW2 parallel if only the German Army had been able to early on see the actions of their government behind the lines through the lens of someone who experienced oppression. Though I am not sure the comparison is wholly apt.
I will just say if one wants to make a non-territorial mutant nation that protects the rights of all mutants within their host countries Jean is going to have to make big ethical compromises to Xavier's professed core values to come. Was what Jean did a violation of Xavier's official stated ethics? Yes, but he would also do worse then that to get things done as he would violate his own stated values alot.
Last edited by jmc247; 06-12-2018 at 04:34 PM.
"We come into this world alone and we leave the same way. The time we spent in between - time spent alive, sharing, learning together... is all that makes life worth living." - Jean Grey
She stopped the bullets. Storm could blow them away. The sentinel blocked them. Storm could freeze and shatter the firing pins in every single rifle. Jean could crush them. She could make them see absolutely nothing while they walked away. They could allow them to fire every single bullet and make a boat out of 5.56x45mm and the shell casings. None of this involves implanting thoughts and feelings--which, again, I don't have an issue with outside of how Jean is being portrayed in Red.
Let's see:
A) she made both sides feel what the other felt creating empathy in the soldiers being manipulated.
B)She solved the problem without resorting to violence or worsening the situation by putting her friends at risk.
C)No soldier or mutant died after her actions.
D)Namor did not have to start a war for border invasion.
If he had been in Jean's place would have done the same thing and would have no regrets. Maybe it was not ethical but when innocent lives are at stake ethics is not usually a priority. If she had exited and people had died they would probably be blaming her or she would be blaming herself.
True but that would only avoid the immediate problem at least now those soldiers know how their victims feel.Any mutant left behind would still be in danger, and now those soldiers learned to question orders and not to act like machines.
Last edited by Knives; 06-12-2018 at 04:56 PM.
She showed the soldiers the other side. They made their own choice.
In so doing, Jean took care of the root of the problem. Those soldiers will remember and not be so quick to blindly murder mutants.
Throwing up a shield might have prevented those mutants from getting murdered, but it wouldn’t prevent those soldiers from killing mutants in the future.
Jean’s actions were the best solution for the situation.