How about the other teams.
How would Kitty have handled the same situation that Red was in?
How about Magneto and Polaris?
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How about the other teams.
How would Kitty have handled the same situation that Red was in?
How about Magneto and Polaris?
I think there's a difference between senseless killing, and stopping a bunch of soldiers from murdering fleeing mutants. Why Jean has to be held to a standard literally no other X-men is held to is mindblogging. She has morals and standards but that does not exclude her from using the tools that are readily available to her to end a conflict peacefully.
More to point, X literally wiped all the X-men minds over in AXM without their consent and Betsy being fully aware, and we're talking about whether the means Jean used to stop murder was justified? And that's not even addressing all the dubious things X-characters have done with their power just from comics last week.
I seem to think people would have less of an issue if Jean Grey pulled out a gun and shot those soldiers dead as I seem to recall both Cyclops and Captain America making those hard decisions and it being lost in a sea of decisions. Really this is small fish.
I was making the point that Jean will in time have to make ethical compromises if she is really going to create a mutant state inside all nations and it’s compromises to her own ethics and Xavier’s old stated ethics. That is just the nature of trying to change the world.
If one agrees or not this was an ethical compromise is a separate point, I will just say I could see early 00s Jean doing something similar and no I don’t see it as a big deal, but there are those who I am certain do believe killing the soldiers would have been more honorable then messing with their minds.
Storm and Rachel would be knocked out somehow and Kitty would somehow save them all .
Magneto and Polaris would simply use their powers to neutralize the soldiers' weapons and vehicles. Magneto would probably say some threat to the soldiers.
Astonishing: X(Xavier) or Psylocke would probably make the soldiers forget their orders or give happy thoughts to them .
Jean kept a bunch of innocent mutants alive. I don't give a damn about the how she did it. The ends justify the means
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I actually look forward to that, although I still stand by the idea that some readers believe Jean is some saint like figure she never was. She's killed before, I mean as just Jean Grey, she isn't the frail flower some believe her to be. And I also don't think she's someone unwilling to bend, change, or modify her plans based on the information she has available.
It's going to be interesting to see how she gets to grow, and learn from this new landscape.
These are great questions given the current books? I could surmise, Kitty would have saved everyone in Gold team be damned, and I wouldn't have been surprised if Mags slaughtered them, at least Lorna would have given them the option to flee....maybe.
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So either the answer to the thread is Jean Grey is a hypocrite like every other mutant who has ever used their power. Or whatever Jean Grey did is somewhat infinitely worse then making a crowd orgasm which it's not, or taking control of the whole worlds minds without their permission to fight the znoxx. It really isn't. And I'm quite sure I've seen worse
Yes. IYO.
I was a teenager when I read the Dark Phoenix Saga. I loved the character deeply. I was upset by the retcon, when she was brought back in Fantastic Four. The retcon felt horrible to me. Destructing the original character I loved so much.
X-Factor's Jean was hit and miss. Mostly hit.
90's Jean was one of the most boring Jean to read. She had some good moments, but she wasn't her true self imo. She was like an sweeten version.
CC's Revolution Jean was surely the only good thing of his run. But Jean felt more like herself. Then Morrison's Jean was the best Jean I read for years.
Taylor's Jean feel like a direct continuation of that (minus the Phoenix). I like Taylor's take very much.
- I love Wolverine. Really.
- Yeah ? Which one ?
Couldn't said it better myself, Jean has not had her own voice in over a decade. What Taylor is doing is taking all the best parts of CC, Morrison, and pushing Jean is her natural direction. Obviously both in the comic and real life that makes some uncomfortable. Testament to Taylor's writing and keeps the discussion going.
On a small sour note, with Jean also comes those who will pick apart every minute detail and word she makes.