On one hand, I was not a fan of the premise of the first book and this seems like a continuation
on the other hand...Gurihiru...
I guess im gonna have to get this one. dammit.
I'm assuming this is the result of the switch up of CB and Axel, but why are this and iceman getting relaunched so soon? They didn't perform that well and weren't that critically received if I remember.
Point further, Jim Zub cites not just scholastic sales, but also his book being sold to Public and School Libraries and at theme parks as the reason why The Figment was successful. He also points to a comicbeats article which highlights the fact that, surprise surprise, all the best selling graphic novels last year were all children books, something we wouldn't know just by judging based on Diamond Statistics.
The artist formerly known as OrpheusTelos.
So if trades are whats keeping these books alive and the floppy sales are abysmal...why doesn't marvel just start releasing graphic novels instead?
I'd guess because, unless single sales are so abysmally low that they don't even cover printing costs, it's still a revenue stream, just not the primary one. It'd be an inversion of what we're accustomed to thinking of when it comes to the DM, that pre-order sales for single issues are the life's blood of a book and collections are a nice bonus.
Two reasons I imagine:
- They didn't expect the original trades to take off, and an influx of new readers is what they're hoping will sell both floppies and trades. Basically they're trying to sell to a new readerbase.
- Trade issuing alone is a tremendous investment for something they're not positive is going to sell as well as the first set of trades. For all they know the original crowd doesn't really want more and so by investing all that money in trades alone they will have to lose a lot of money in two or three trade releases before they can stop. Floppies allow Marvel to know if the crowd that bought the first trades are still interested in the new series without the same investment.
Trade sales are significantly slower than floppy sales by nature in comics. They're released well after the fact and companies are usually making decisions by then. So by the time they dropped the axe the trade numbers probably weren't in yet, or were just starting to roll in.
Yeah, and she left because she wasn't evil enough for them.
Poundcakes, maybe. I could see her reforming if a better opportunity came along. But she also likes dat $$$.
Letha and Lascivious (the first Titania) are straight-up evil after their resurrection from the Hood. They're also lovers, which is why it's odd seeing one without the other.
Oh I wholeheartedly agree. If more people realized that not everything was for them, we wouldn't have such toxic fandoms. It makes me super happy that a bunch of little girls (and some boys too I'd imagine) have Nadia back.
Oooooooooooooof course they are. They're saying something that runs counter to the narrative you've created, so they're dirty rotten liars.
Also, hey, what are Batman's total sales numbers? Not just the Diamond estimates, but how it does in bookstores, how it sells on Comixology, how it sells on Amazon, how it sells to libraries. What are the actual numbers for Batman? Go on, find them, I'll wait. Oh hey, turns out, those numbers aren't put out. Because no publisher actually releases any actual sales data about individual comics. This **** ain't tough to grasp. And yet, here you are. Insisting that Marvel would release sales data for Unstoppable Wasp when they haven't released sales data for any other series. Not Unstoppable Wasp. Not Deadpool. Not Avengers. Not X-Men. None of them. Because they never release that data.
But you've somehow come to the conclusion that Marvel, as a business, wants to lose money so they can . . . what? What do you think is the reason Marvel is willing to lose money publishing Unstoppable Wasp? What's their pay-off?
You didn't answer this earlier, so let me ask again: What do you believe is the end goal of Marvel publishing Unstoppable Wasp?
Step 1. Publish Unstoppable Wasp.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!
What's step 2? What's the benefit to Marvel?
Gasp! But Ms. Marvel has the best supporting cast! Nakia, Zoe, Bruno, Mike, Gabe, Aamir. Josh, before he turned villain. They're the best gang.
A) Batman sells around 100,000.
B) Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel are terrible and sell below 15,000 and should’ve been cancelled long ago.
C) They don’t care about profit. And Disney doesn’t crack the whip because the real money is in movies and toys.
D) Enough with the phantom numbers. There’s no way that they’d be significant enough to make difference.
Good Marvel characters- Bring Them Back!!!
If this book stared the Wasp I would try it. Since it stars a cheap ripoff then I will ignore it. Its a shame that sales figures don't matter to Marvel anymore.
Holy. ****. Holy ****. Do you actually believe that the direct market is the only way that comics are sold?
Your first response just straight-up ignored the point of my question. How does Batman sell in trades at bookstores? How well does it sell on Comixology? How does it sell on Amazon? How does it sell to libraries?
Are you actually so hung up on the direct market that you think none of those other markets amount to anything? That the direct market is the only metric that matters?
Christ. You genuinely have absolutely no knowledge of the modern comic book industry.
And to say Marvel doesn't care about profit. Holy ****. This is just . . . how can you be this legitimately clueless? This is a stunning display of ignorance.
Tone down the stunned act. The direct market is still the largest market. The other stuff is mostly inconsequential. Though I understand you may be in denial because you want the new characters to be a success.
Good Marvel characters- Bring Them Back!!!
We've established Diamond Charts are not the full picture, so your only evidence is half-assed. And if you think it's not and you're absolutely right, then why don't you provide evidence for that? Aren't you all about showing, not telling? Then show us. Show us the evidence Marvel is lying. Show us the evidence that numbers outside of the DM are not good and don't influence their publication at all. You want evidence that Marvel is telling the truth, but you have no commitment to show us you're telling the truth, so how can anyone take you seriously? So yeah, show us your solid, convincing evidence and maybe this discussion can finally get somewhere. I'll be waiting.
Yeah, I think that's exactly what happened, and this is why the Direct Market has become outdaded and is setting up books with potential for failure. I think every book deserves the chance to be published up until they fully analize how the trades are doing, and if the numbers are sustainable, they should keep it going until they're not anymore. I've noticed that ongoings getting cancelled before the trade even comes out has become less recurring if compared to the early ANAD days, when more books were getting the axe earlier on, so maybe Marvel is finally realizing they can't keep being so dependent on single-issue sales, and that's a good thing.
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