I feel like we've had this exact exchange before. I still really like the outline I have in my head, but tell me why you wouldn't mix the two?
My story concept introduces Magneto's Acolytes too. I bet that is just too much salt in the soup for you :-)
Do what to Xavier?
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When it comes to making movies, I could care less about what is comic book canon. Use the characters and the stories as inspiration and nothing more.
Juggernaut can work. So can Proteus and many others. If the team is young and fledgling (which it should be, that's how we'll build a sense of family and reliance on one another) they don't need some single villain, works alone A-lister.
Yeah, that's too many elements for one story. I'd rather have the first MCU X-Men movie focus primarily on the young X-Men; getting to know their backstories, learning about their powers, and training to become a tight unit. Just use a simple villain. Second time out, once we've got the main group characterized is when you can start using more complex antagonists. Otherwise you spread yourself too thin and nothing actually gets fleshed out.
Millar's Xavier was a dick, and I'd rather not lean too heavily into 'evil Xavier' for the MCU version. Fox already threw him under the bus in X3 and DP. I know Charles is not the saint some think him, but the Millar Proteus/World Tour story made him into someone who actively left his own child to run off with Erik to build their mutant utopia (Ultimate Xavier was killed by Erik during Ultimatum). I think we can do an Xavier who can and does do some sketchy things without going full Deadly Genesis/"Xavier is worse than Magneto" angle a lot of modern writers have gone.
Let the flames destroy all but that which is pure and true!
Agree to disagree. I think it comes down to you want to start in the beginning and I want to start in the middle. I also think nothing is very compelling about the individual X-Men's backstories. I realize there are those that feel Storm's past in Wakanda suggests she'll be introduced in Black Panther but I'm really put off by the Lion King redux of it all.
I feel the most important part of Storm's backstory is the oblique notion that she was worshipped as a child goddess in rural Africa, and how that clashes with the oblique notion that Nightcrawler was reviled, hid in a monastery and under the guise of a circus act. As X-Men, they are the same. Both goddess and freak are mutants. How they build a team to carry the dream of an idealist is the whole package to me. Villains should be born of that essential concept conflict.
I agree. Which is why I want to showcase extremes: "wild" Sentinel programming as ultimate preservers of a rigid, oppressive status quo, and Krakoa as unpredictable monstrous chaos. One exploiting the other suggests a complicated, interconnected world that the X-Men need to delicately unravel. It mostly requires Krakoa to be retconned as a tragic prisoner of his own mutation, requiring the X-Men to teach rather than defeat. Bring HOME that academic concept.
Some people are desperate for a Good Dad archetype in Xavier and while I agree the Deadly Genesis and Danger episodes for 616 Xavier were messy, I DO like the idea of him being far too stubborn for his own good. I like the idea of combining the Legion and Proteus character role, and even the character origin: Making David Xavier the son of Charles and Moira. I agree there might be a movie with Proteus as a villain, but I wonder if it would be best as a flashback or prestige series.
I've been thinking and I think that hard as it may seem, the best thing for Jean in the MCU is that she starts already dead in a Dark Phoenix Saga in the backstory. That way when she is introduced to the movies they have already taken that off and she can do more than die.
Don't have definite opinions yet of where I'd like them to go with X-men. I'm open to the idea of focusing on more obscure characters and the next generation/s, but at the same time I'm fascinated by what Marvel would do with the standard roster and who they'd cast to replace the Fox actors.
I agree with Omega Alpha on this. The only unknown is how well received a Hugh Jackmanless wolverine would be. It'll be interesting to see but Marvel will have their work cutout for them trying to reboot X-Men especially when we have seen some good ones such as X1, Days of Future Past, and Logan to compare them to.
Although they have been in 5-6 films, it is sad that characters like Cyclops and Storm have hardly been important in all these years.
I think the most overused characters are Wolverine, Magneto and Xavier, practically all the movies revolve around them.