The future of the X-Men on the big screen

[Hall]

Somehow I see you(somewhat) in the first paragraph, but you lose me completely in the second. Pretty sad that TAS actually remains the best adaption of the franchise even after two decades of Fox films...

There is nothing to loose, I only said what was obvious, the harsh reality that TAS would have a heavier story content than the future X-Men movies, since Disney themeslves said, their movies are meant to be fun, appeal to to children the most and be light heart. TAS is the best adaption because it did the opposite of what Disney said about mainstream comics, if you want the real truth of TAS, please read this.

https://www.cbr.com/x-men-animated-w...nday-schedule/

It's so odd you said I lost you when what I am saying is the truth about what made TAS the best adaption. It is Disney's approach to comics movies and tv that makes TAS stand so high above disney comics movies and tv today. If you want to look at it a better way, look at DC Batman movies and cartoons. Batman TAS series is as good and if not better than the best Batman movies including TDK. why? because both adaptions have the same amount of content and impressive story telling, something disney lacks in their movies and animations.

I will never forget X-Men TAS adaption of DOFP the one with Bishop as the time traveller, it was just like the movie in content and heaviness, even worse since TAS DOFP did not end with happy ending unlike the movie adaption. it's was impressive how TAS did not dumb down the evils of genocide and prejudice, if that was Disney it will have been a dumbed down to a light humor movie both in cartoons and movies.

[Hall]

X-Men films should appeal to children and not adults ashamed they like a Child's property which X-Men is.

If X-Men was such a child property why does their comics have so much adult and very heavy content that Disney does not want to touch in their own movies?
Things already touched in X-Men TAS and X-Men movies to perfection.

[Celestial]

If X-Men was such a child property why does their comics have so much adult and very heavy content that Disney does not want to touch in their own movies?
Things already touched in X-Men TAS and X-Men movies to perfection.

Most X-Men comics are for kids. The mature rated stuff is only a fraction.

[Ambaryerno]

Yeah, you know, the best selling, most influential run in the medium.

From a COMPLETELY different time, under COMPLETELY different circumstances, without NEARLY the competition from other sources of entertainment that comics face today.

The industry has changed radically since the 80s. If Claremont was a new writer coming up today he'd just be forced by Editorial to wank off over nostalgia for some OTHER writer's run rather than be allowed to shake up and define the franchise like he did during his original tenure. But the Chruch of Claremont is either too willfully blinding themselves to the reality, or just plain naive, to see it.

[Jokerz79]

If X-Men was such a child property why does their comics have so much adult and very heavy content that Disney does not want to touch in their own movies?
Things already touched in X-Men TAS and X-Men movies to perfection.

I got a Sears & Roebucks Christmas Wish Book from 1991 for Christmas last year it has X-Men, X-Factor, and New Mutants comic bundles in with other Marvel and DC comics bundles. This is during the Claremont run decades before Disney recommended age 8 and Up. Most X-Men comics have always been for children sorry racism being bad isn't deep or "heavy" McFly it's pretty black and white no pun intended and even kids can grasp it.

[yogaflame]

From a COMPLETELY different time, under COMPLETELY different circumstances, without NEARLY the competition from other sources of entertainment that comics face today.

The industry has changed radically since the 80s. If Claremont was a new writer coming up today he'd just be forced by Editorial to wank off over nostalgia for some OTHER writer's run rather than be allowed to shake up and define the franchise like he did during his original tenure. But the Chruch of Claremont is either too willfully blinding themselves to the reality, or just plain naive, to see it.

Without Claremont, there wouldn't be modern X-Men. Take away his run, and the whole franchise crumbles.

[Jokerz79]

From a COMPLETELY different time, under COMPLETELY different circumstances, without NEARLY the competition from other sources of entertainment that comics face today.

The industry has changed radically since the 80s. If Claremont was a new writer coming up today he'd just be forced by Editorial to wank off over nostalgia for some OTHER writer's run rather than be allowed to shake up and define the franchise like he did during his original tenure. But the Chruch of Claremont is either too willfully blinding themselves to the reality, or just plain naive, to see it.

Here's the thing Claremont was 13 when X-Men debuted the age back then most got out comics he had no nostalgia when writing the series problem every writer since does and it's not only X-Men many comics have this happen.

[SpiderClops]

Without Claremont, there wouldn't be modern X-Men. Take away his run, and the whole franchise crumbles.

And without Stan Lee, Claremont's run wouldn't even exist. See how silly that argument is?

[Hall]

Most X-Men comics are for kids. The mature rated stuff is only a fraction.

That is simply not true. sorry.

If it is only a fraction, TAS and their comics would have reflected that. they don't.

The for kids argument is the way some try and justify badly done heavily cgi movies with no actual story or substance in it,that has never worked in the world of X-Men..

Speaking of X-Men TAS the first episode did something no other cartoon had done before that changed how people some comics live action as supposedly kid's entertainment. it killed off a character in night of the sentinels. that was a game changing moment for superhero animation , setting the tone fro most for the 79 episode TAS that adapted many xmen comics from DOFP, to the legacy virus, to Age Apocalypse and the dark phoenix saga.

[jignat]

The films have focus mainly of Jean, Scott, Wolverine, Mystique, Beast, Charles, Magneto, etc. Maybe its time for others to get the spotlight.

lol. I wish.

[yogaflame]

And without Stan Lee, Claremont's run wouldn't even exist. See how silly that argument is?

No it is not silly at all. We have to respect the lineage. But at the end of the day, Stan Lee's run was pretty thin, and not even Roy and Neal's run could course correct before the title was sent into reprints for 5 YEARS! TAS didn't adapt much of the original run. Nor did the movies. They looked to the most interesting, most complex, and best parts of the franchise. They looked primarily to Claremont.

[Hall]

From a COMPLETELY different time, under COMPLETELY different circumstances, without NEARLY the competition from other sources of entertainment that comics face today.

The industry has changed radically since the 80s. If Claremont was a new writer coming up today he'd just be forced by Editorial to wank off over nostalgia for some OTHER writer's run rather than be allowed to shake up and define the franchise like he did during his original tenure. But the Chruch of Claremont is either too willfully blinding themselves to the reality, or just plain naive, to see it.

Let's look at Claremont's top stories.

God Loves, Man Kills
The Dark Phoenix Saga
Days of Future Past
Inferno
The Mutant Massacre

What chances these comics will get released today in any format under Disney strong hold on Marvel pushing such a silly theory comic are for kids, its fantasy for kids too? LOTR, Game of Thrones, Wizarding World?

I have a better theory, Claremont won't be the superstar and legendary writer he is today, if he started now and us looking back 20 years from now, things have sure changed. for the worse. How DC still does it with their comics and cartoons just makes me cringe on marvel's behalf.

[Ambaryerno]

Here's the thing Claremont was 13 when X-Men debuted the age back then most got out comics he had no nostalgia when writing the series problem every writer since does and it's not only X-Men many comics have this happen.

This is why I hate the sliding timescale. Storytelling becomes a slave to nostalgia, and you can't take the story in new directions because god forbid you actually CHANGE things. I can't believe I'm quoting this, but sometimes you have to let the past die, and kill it if you must.

There's a reason why stories with constantly evolving plots are gaining market share and critical success over media that relies on a strict adherence to status quo. The Simpsons is probably the closest analog to Big Two-style static storytelling in mainstream media, and it's been bleeding out for at least 20 years.

And without Stan Lee, Claremont's run wouldn't even exist. See how silly that argument is?

Especially since if Claremont didn't write it, someone else WOULD have.

[Jokerz79]

That is simply not true. sorry.

If it is only a fraction, TAS and their comics would have reflected that. they don't.

The for kids argument is the way some try and justify badly done heavily cgi movies with no actual story or substance in it,that has never worked in the world of X-Men..

Speaking of X-Men TAS the first episode did something no other cartoon had done before that changed how people some comics live action as supposedly kid's entertainment. it killed off a character in night of the sentinels. that was a game changing moment for superhero animation , setting the tone fro most for the 79 episode TAS that adapted many xmen comics from DOFP, to the legacy virus, to Age Apocalypse and the dark phoenix saga.

Uncle Ben Spider-Man 1967, Thomas and Martha Wayne Galactic Guardians 1985, Almost the entire original cast Transformers 1986, sorry X-Men TAS wasn't first and those other shows kept their dead dead.

[Ambaryerno]

Uncle Ben Spider-Man 1967, Thomas and Martha Wayne Galactic Guardians 1985, Almost the entire original cast Transformers 1986, sorry X-Men TAS wasn't first and those other shows kept their dead dead.

To be fair, Transformers G1 didn't kill anyone until The Movie. And Prime did come back (and Starscream was immortal).