The future of the X-Men on the big screen

[U.N. Owen]

One thing the MCU should address is what I like to call the Humans Have a Point clause. Humanity is often depicted as wrong for using Sentinels and having special task forces to take them down. Sure, excessive force is an issue, but are we really not going to sympathize with humanity over wanting protection from mutant dangers?

616 Continuity: Onslaught killed a bunch of beloved superheroes, including the Fantastic Four.
Ultimate Continuity: Magneto devastated the entire Earth.
FoX-Men Continuities: Magneto nearly killed the president and killed possibly millions of people under his tenure as Horseman of Apocalypse.

And that's just Magneto or something related to Magneto alone.

[uebersoldat]

One thing the MCU should address is what I like to call the Humans Have a Point clause. Humanity is often depicted as wrong for using Sentinels and having special task forces to take them down. Sure, excessive force is an issue, but are we really not going to sympathize with humanity over wanting protection from mutant dangers?

616 Continuity: Onslaught killed a bunch of beloved superheroes, including the Fantastic Four.
Ultimate Continuity: Magneto devastated the entire Earth.
FoX-Men Continuities: Magneto nearly killed the president and killed possibly millions of people under his tenure as Horseman of Apocalypse.

And that's just Magneto or something related to Magneto alone.

I think it all boils down to good writing. Disney can afford to payroll some of the best writers and let's hope they've learned their lesson with lackluster ticket sales from Solo recently. Not that it was a bad movie at all, I think fans just have Star Wars fatigue.

[Ambaryerno]

I think it all boils down to good writing. Disney can afford to payroll some of the best writers and let's hope they've learned their lesson with lackluster ticket sales from Solo recently. Not that it was a bad movie at all, I think fans just have Star Wars fatigue.

It wasn't fatigue, it really wasn't a good movie. When Woody Harrelson phones in his Woody Harrelson you've got some issues.

[uebersoldat]

It wasn't fatigue, it really wasn't a good movie. When Woody Harrelson phones in his Woody Harrelson you've got some issues.

I'm sorry but to be fair, you also kinda have a tendency to poo on Disney a lot around here. We have a few of those

It wasn't a bad movie, it just wasn't fantastic like Rogue One.

EDIT: I digress. X-Men with Disney will be interesting but the first one will make it or break it (the audiences enthusiasm) so I hope they get a good writer. You need to obviously feel sympathetic to the antagonist and the protagonist like they did with Black Panther.

[SpiderClops]

I think it all boils down to good writing. Disney can afford to payroll some of the best writers and let's hope they've learned their lesson with lackluster ticket sales from Solo recently. Not that it was a bad movie at all, I think fans just have Star Wars fatigue.

Nah, that was "needless origin story no one asked for" fatigue.

[U.N. Owen]

I know I'm delusional, but I'm hoping Rachel Summers gets at least some kind of appearance.

Seriously, I refuse to accept Hope Summers got an appearance in film before Rachel.

[Ambaryerno]

I'm sorry but to be fair, you also kinda have a tendency to poo on Disney a lot around here. We have a few of those

I enjoyed Rogue One, and even TFA despite its flaws/relying too heavily on nostalgia (also, Disney forced some ridiculous leaps of logic with the whole, "The entire Republic Navy stays at the capital. Even though the Republic sprawls over tens of thousands of light years, and local militias/policing couldn't possibly patrol the borders and shipping lanes" nonsense in order to get its "Rebellion vs. Evil Empire" rehash).

However TLJ was awful both as Star Wars (whoever said, "Let's deconstruct EVERYTHING about what is at it's heart a reconstructionist fantasy! We won't even use the Wilhelm Scream!" should be fired) AND as a film, (every plot point of the previous film was resolved as anticlimactically as possible, Holdo was the worst sort of Designated Hero while Poe had characterization forced on him that wasn't present in the previous film to justify the "He's reckless and will get everyone killed if he doesn't straighten up" thread, and half the film deviated into a completely meaningless casino sideplot that ultimately served no real purpose, and wasted the ONLY INTERESTING CHARACTER in the whole movie) and Solo was just not good, wasting its time dreaming up back story for things that didn't NEED back story (did we REALLY need to learn that "Solo" was anything other than his family's last name like it was in the old EU? And they ruined the Kessel Run (rather than being about Han's piloting ability and the Falcon speed, it was instead about the Magic Super Fuel that had NEVER BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE. And gratuitous CGI creatures).

[Jokerz79]

I enjoyed Rogue One, and even TFA despite its flaws/relying too heavily on nostalgia (also, Disney forced some ridiculous leaps of logic with the whole, "The entire Republic Navy stays at the capital. Even though the Republic sprawls over tens of thousands of light years, and local militias/policing couldn't possibly patrol the borders and shipping lanes" nonsense in order to get its "Rebellion vs. Evil Empire" rehash).

However TLJ was awful both as Star Wars (whoever said, "Let's deconstruct EVERYTHING about what is at it's heart a reconstructionist fantasy! We won't even use the Wilhelm Scream!" should be fired) AND as a film, (every plot point of the previous film was resolved as anticlimactically as possible, Holdo was the worst sort of Designated Hero while Poe had characterization forced on him that wasn't present in the previous film to justify the "He's reckless and will get everyone killed if he doesn't straighten up" thread, and half the film deviated into a completely meaningless casino sideplot that ultimately served no real purpose, and wasted the ONLY INTERESTING CHARACTER in the whole movie) and Solo was just not good, wasting its time dreaming up back story for things that didn't NEED back story (did we REALLY need to learn that "Solo" was anything other than his family's last name like it was in the old EU? And they ruined the Kessel Run (rather than being about Han's piloting ability and the Falcon speed, it was instead about the Magic Super Fuel that had NEVER BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE. And gratuitous CGI creatures).

I loved the original trilogy but that's an issue even with the original film yeah EU expands the story but going by films the whole universe celebrates at the end of ROTJ. It'd be like in the real world taking out the President, VP, and Pentagon what that would mean you defeated the United States? Nope especially in Star Wars where in ANH they mentioned the Emperor given control of the systems to the Imperial Governors after he dissolved the Senate. So there still a lot of Governors out there with large militaries. But it was a good film so you suspended logic and go with.

[Maestroneto]

lol Rogue One was a piece of shit.

[uebersoldat]

Would love to discuss this further because y'all bring up some good points - but to get back on topic does anyone have an idea of a writer for an MCU X-Men movie? We're likely to see something after 2021 at the earliest.

[U.N. Owen]

Who should be the big villain? We've done Magneto to death and back (literally), Apocalypse is too recent, Sentinels annoy me to no end, and we might be getting Shi'ar and Skrulls in Dark Phoenix.

[CRaymond]

anyone have an idea of a writer for an MCU X-Men movie?

A crack collab of Allan Heinberg and Lena Waithe. The American Horror Story team can do punch up.

[Jokerz79]

Who should be the big villain? We've done Magneto to death and back (literally), Apocalypse is too recent, Sentinels annoy me to no end, and we might be getting Shi'ar and Skrulls in Dark Phoenix.

My opinion introduce Rogue in Captain Marvel 2 and a Storm cameo in Black Panther 2. The X-Men film villain should be Mr. Sinister who's revealed to had ties to Hydra and to avoid Jackman's shadow introduce X-23 as a former Hydra project much like Evolution. She's saved from Sinister and his Marauders and it ends with her vowing to find her "father" Weapon-X.

[Husk]

One thing the MCU should address is what I like to call the Humans Have a Point clause. Humanity is often depicted as wrong for using Sentinels and having special task forces to take them down. Sure, excessive force is an issue, but are we really not going to sympathize with humanity over wanting protection from mutant dangers?

616 Continuity: Onslaught killed a bunch of beloved superheroes, including the Fantastic Four.
Ultimate Continuity: Magneto devastated the entire Earth.
FoX-Men Continuities: Magneto nearly killed the president and killed possibly millions of people under his tenure as Horseman of Apocalypse.

And that's just Magneto or something related to Magneto alone.

Yes, Magneto was involved in events like those and there were more. Humanity, at a point, should see fit to defend itself. However, the prejudice against mutants always began before that. Mutants were hated and feared before Onslaught. Magneto devastating the Earth was the end of the Ultimate Line, meaning all of the hatred from X-Men #1 wasn't fueled by that moment. Apocalypse was the third movie and, even then, he almost killed the President in the second movie. Mutants were still hated and feared before then. The reason there's a lack of empathy with humanity in the X-Men franchise is often because their reactions aren't rational, they aren't made from a place where they're thinking "we have to do this to survive", instead they're thinking "these people could supplant us, they must be destroyed".

Good writing could make both sides more sympathetic. However, in all of those instances, humanity is still in the wrong. They sought to destroy the species rather than pinpointing and fixing the root cause. It shouldn't be too hard to imagine what happens when an entire people is persecuted because of the actions of a minority.

[Triniking1234]

Who should be the big villain? We've done Magneto to death and back (literally), Apocalypse is too recent, Sentinels annoy me to no end, and we might be getting Shi'ar and Skrulls in Dark Phoenix.

There's Nathaniel Essex/Mr. Sinister and High Evolutionary.