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    Quote Originally Posted by Killerbee911 View Post
    There is no mistake being made with Wolverine, Wolverine gets attention because fans like him. I have travel to DC fan land I have seen now DC fans do the same thing with Batman. Batman and Wolverine do not take away spotlight they give spotlight. People who are at good manage characters understand this fact. Anyways Russo did Cap/Iron Man how a Cyclops/Wolverine relationship is supposed to be and the made boy scout character in Cap cool to audiences and gigantic stuck up dick like Singer made Cyclops. The Russo would be awesome on the X-men. Plus Russo have proved they are 1,000 times better than anyone who has directed a Fox X- men movie at balancing character time on screen. Infinity War is a clinic like 20 to 25 significant characters are in the movie and they manage to give a Cap,Thor,Hulk,Iron Man, Scarlet Witch character arcs or sub stories and bunch of other characters got something small stuff to do. And the movie was still mostly about Thanos.
    Batman is a pure solo hero. Wolverine is a spin off solo hero. He does not need any more spotlight in an X-Men movie. I am tired of seeing some defending all the flaws MCU would likely make like Fox did. It was not cool when Fox made Wolverine the center of the universe, it would not be cool when MCU does the same. Also isnt this some of the genuine complains with the fox movies. Too much Wolverine, Xavier, Magneto.

    Anyways Russo did Cap/Iron Man how a Cyclops/Wolverine relationship is supposed to be and the made boy scout character in Cap cool to audiences and gigantic stuck up dick like Singer made Cyclops.
    Wolverine and Cyke are not like Cap/Iron Man.
    The Russo would be awesome on the X-men.
    Why didn't they come up with a better script than Endgame? X-Men movies should be nothing like Avengers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beaddle View Post
    Batman is a pure solo hero. Wolverine is a spin off solo hero. He does not need any more spotlight in an X-Men movie. I am tired of seeing some defending all the flaws MCU would likely make like Fox did. It was not cool when Fox made Wolverine the center of the universe, it would not be cool when MCU does the same. Also isnt this some of the genuine complains with the fox movies. Too much Wolverine, Xavier, Magneto.
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    -Iron Man is the center of MCU and other people got chances to develop and shine in movies with him. Wolverine is a popular character and He is a major part of a lot of X-men stories and plays an active role in many stories. If you are doing the X-men right they will be a lot of Wolverine( he has the most appearances of any character in Marvel in he second behind of Superman and Batman in comics in general). Just like there was a lot of Iron Man in the MCU. MCU is light years ahead of Fox movies who at best only seem to be able to handle 2 maybe 3 characters a movie. This is a legit huge complaint which people try to pass off on Wolverine being used too much when the reality is X-men never gave characters side stories or figure out how to make them useful along with side characters who are getting lots of screen time. Nebula got character development and she was D-list character. Nebula was developed better than Storm in any movie.

    Wolverine will get a lot of shine that is not a defect that is a feature. At least Russo understood that after Ironman that Cap, Thor, Hulk need screen time then Hawkeye and Blackwidow. Where Singer and fox directors couldn't figure out Cyclops, Storm, Jean, Beast need to get real-time and development and stories instead Quicksilver, Mystique, Magneto, Moria, and Havok got time and backstory those guys should have been getting. It is an atrocity that they never gave Cyclops real development. Not understanding his importance shows that Fox didn't understand the source material. This one of the reason people running screaming about the greatness Fox X-men is annoying very few people open up an X-men book to Professor X, Mystique, Quicksilver, Magneto, Havok in leading roles or getting significant time. People want to see Cyclops, Storm, Nightcrawler, Beast, Kitty, Colossus, etc getting the lion share of the time of the screen.

    -Wolverine and Cyclops are more volatile than cap/tony but it is the same type of friendship/enemy thing. The same loose cannon/Boyscout thing. And It was done well

    - Endgame script was fine it is your opinion the quality of it. The endgame screenwriters are Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely, not the Russos. The Russos with Marcus and McFeely have a body of work together aka Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame. Which is a different spectrum of movies which show they can direct anything. The Russo have also directed the Community, Arrested Development, Happy Endings, Deady Class and variety of other things.
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    Too much Wolverine wasn’t even close to the fundamental problem with the FOX X-men films. If anything, Jackman’s Wolverine was one of the primary reasons anyone saw them at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackraow21 View Post
    Too much Wolverine wasn’t even close to the fundamental problem with the FOX X-men films. If anything, Jackman’s Wolverine was one of the primary reasons anyone saw them at all.
    You have a great point there. He carries most of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uebersoldat View Post
    You have a great point there. He carries most of them.
    But that's the thing, he's not supposed to. Other characters/actors weren't given a chance to shine like he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiccan View Post
    But that's the thing, he's not supposed to. Other characters/actors weren't given a chance to shine like he did.
    So I am going to agree and disagree

    X-men is an ensemble no one character is needed to carry a movie, there is no need for Wolverine to carry the X-men except in promotional stuff because he is a clearly popular figure who can draw attention.

    Where I disagree is on the implication of Wolverine being the cause of characters not being able to shine. I would bet money that Wolverine and Tony Stark got a similar amount of screen time in their respective franchise movies. So let say Wolverine got 1 hour out of the X-men movie 2 hours run time, of course, that is excessive but there is still another whole hour time for other characters to shine. Yes, Wolverine got probably too much screen time. The bigger issue is that when Wolverine wasn't getting screen time. What was Cyclop's story arc for the movie? What was Storm's story arc? What was Jean Grey's story arc? What is the storyline that is carrying across these movies? How have these characters grow from film to film.

    It is not Wolverine fault for them not developing meaningful stuff and storyline for the other characters to do. Some people here like to be super critical of endgame but Endgame split cast into a couple of different teams and everybody got something meaningfully to do in the movie. Infinity Wars start with most of Avengers apart, so they were split up again doing meaningful stuff. Cyclops side story plot in X2 was to be knocked out and captured, Cyclops side story plot in X3 was dying off-screen. Cyclops side story Apocalyse was his origin and escaping Weapon X base with Jean and Nightcrawler. Cyclops side story in Dark Phoenix was as Jean's cheerleader and lead a rescue for Jean. It is not Wolverine fault when they actually gave other characters stuff to do it wasn't all that meaningful. Other movies with way bigger casts(and actors) manage to balance time for each character better look at the Avengers or Oceans 11 movies.
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    FoX-Men biggest mistake was too much focus on Wolverine, Xavier and Magneto. The are a lot of more interesting mutants that was ignored or given minor roles. I don’t want to see these three mutants anytime soon. Fox pretended they wanted to make Gambit, but every time production got close they sabotage it. Why there couldn’t do an Iceman movie or a movie focusing Cyclops.
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    Ok, here's the screentime for Wolverine in X-Men(2000) and Iron Man in The Avengers(2012), who both have the highest screentime:

    Wolverine - 30m30s
    Iron Man - 31m45s

    Hmm, looks similar. "Ha! MCU fans being hypcritical!" I hear someone. But wait, let's look at the second highest screentime. It's Rogue for X-Men and Captain America for Avengers.

    Rogue - 16m15s
    Cap -28m15s

    Do I need to explain? Not to mention that Avengers is 143 min. long, while X-Men is only 104 min.
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    Channing Tatum yesterday at Humane Society of Ventura County.
    He is still proudly wearing the Gambit shirt.
    Could this still be part the future of X-Men?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiderClops View Post
    Ok, here's the screentime for Wolverine in X-Men(2000) and Iron Man in The Avengers(2012), who both have the highest screentime:

    Wolverine - 30m30s
    Iron Man - 31m45s

    Hmm, looks similar. "Ha! MCU fans being hypcritical!" I hear someone. But wait, let's look at the second highest screentime. It's Rogue for X-Men and Captain America for Avengers.

    Rogue - 16m15s
    Cap -28m15s

    Do I need to explain? Not to mention that Avengers is 143 min. long, while X-Men is only 104 min.
    Rogue really has the second highest screentime? Doesn’t feel like that way at all. I feel like Scarlet Witch got more to do than Rogue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celestial View Post
    Rogue really has the second highest screentime? Doesn’t feel like that way at all. I feel like Scarlet Witch got more to do than Rogue.
    Hm... What?

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    I like the first idea in this link:
    https://www.comicsbeat.com/mutants-mcu/

    "We have to remember what part of what worked so well about the original Stan Lee and Jack Kirby X-Men comics was that they were a younger superhero group than the Fantastic Four, Avengers and the Justice League over at the distinguished competition. They were more in line with the younger teenagers that made up DC’s Legion of Super-Heroes, even if the book initially got its inspiration from DC’s Doom Patrol.

    Granted, X-Men: First Class did try to go younger with the X-Men by going back to the concept of it being a school for those with mutant powers, and then X-Men: Apocalypse also tried to do that by bringing in younger incarnations of Cyclops, Jean Grey and other characters from Bryan Singer’s 2000 X-Men. The problem is that it once again created comparisons with previous movie incarnations.

    One figures you’d have to have some of those characters if you want to make an X-Men movie, but you can also put them into the more traditional school uniform costumes and maintain a setting which has worked so well in the comics. The X-Men are not just another superteam made up of mutants – they’re a haven for mutants and a place where they can learn to control and use their powers for good.

    Because of this, you shouldn’t need to have Rogue or Mystique or even Wolverine, X-Men who were introduced way later in the series.

    The latest Spider-Man has shown what can be done when you have characters who are essentially high school teenagers, and in many ways, having younger characters might be able to bring in some of the teens who probably felt Fox’s X-Men were old hat by the time they were rebooted."

    -The first movie could be mutant teen X-Men hunting for Wolverine!

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    Scarlet Witch wasn't in Marvel's The Avengers (2012).

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    So I was bored enough to look up the exact numbers

    AV1 Tony Stark 31:45
    AV2 Tony Stark 27:15
    CV Tony Stark 37: 15
    AV3 Tony Stark 17 mins
    AV4 Tony Stark 34:45

    X1 Wolverine 30:30
    X2 Wolvie 28:00
    X3 Wolverine 22:45
    DoFP Wolverine 27:45

    You never hear Iron Man who has solo movies is getting too much screen time in Avengers. There is a reason why in spite of Ironman getting screen time others get time

    AV1 Cap 28:15
    AV2 Cap 21:45
    AV3 Cap 7:15
    CV Cap 38:15
    AV4 Cap 30:45

    AV1 BW 24:45
    AV2 BW 18 min
    AV3 BW 5 min
    CV BW 12 min
    AV4 BW 16 min

    As you can see Cap and others still got time, regardless of Iron Man getting more time in the same movie. Black Widow is behind of Thor and Hulk and she still got decent screen time. Here is why it is a problem in the X: men

    X1 Cyclops 8:30
    X2 Cyclops 7:45
    X3 Cyclops 3:45
    Apoc 12:30

    Storm
    X1 7:45
    X2 10:30
    X3 10: 30
    DoFP 2:45

    Magneto
    X1 14:15
    X2 9:00
    X3 14:30
    First Class 34:00
    DoFP 19:30
    Apoc 16:15

    Xavier

    X1 11
    X2 15
    X3 8:45
    First Class 34:30
    DoFP 30:30
    Apoc 20:30

    The problem with X-men movies they choose to focus on Xavier and Magneto over Cyclops and Storm. And Fox X-men movies there is one maybe two characters who dominate screen time and rest get nothing. When you view Avengers series after Iron Man. Thor, Hulk, and Cap got a balanced amount of time. Iron Man getting more time didn't keep other characters from getting time. Wolverine getting more time does shouldn't kept other key characters from getting time. X-men series had no clue how to balance lots of characters and they focused on the wrong characters.

    Mystique
    X1 6:15
    X2 11:15
    X3 2:45
    First-class 20:45
    DoFP 15:45
    Apoc 15:45

    Just saying.Mystique has more screen time than Clops and Storm pre Dark Phoenix and I don't think the numbers for that movie would change anything
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    Quote Originally Posted by luprki View Post
    Channing Tatum yesterday at Humane Society of Ventura County.
    He is still proudly wearing the Gambit shirt.
    Could this still be part the future of X-Men?
    91F20E8C-F440-434A-9DF0-46E3FE75FE61.jpg
    For sure not

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