“Heroes in Crisis” Limited Series by Tom King & Clay Mann to Start in September

[kingaliencracker]

I posted this in the Wally Appreciation thread but I'll share it here also...

So I have admittedly not read any of Heroes in Crisis, relying on the threads to fill me in on what's going on. I am a huge Wally West fan, as I consider Mark Waid's run with the character to be one of the greatest of all-time. But I have opened up to Barry and have enjoyed the New 52 Flash. Having said that, Rebirth's moment of Barry embracing Wally and finally remembering him was one of my favorite moments in comics over the last decade, and I would probably say one of my favorite moments in 30 years of reading comic books.

I would easily give that moment back just so Wally wouldn't have come back and couldn't be used in HiC. This just sucks. There's no other way to put it.

[ShinySephiroth]

Is this whole thing just flipping off Johns?

I can't see any other purpose for it existing.

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[Lee Stone]

The issue had quite a few problems but this was not one of them. It was not future Wally that killed past Wally. It was past Wally who travelled to the future and killed his future self and then took his future dead self back to the present to place in his stead.

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True... which means he'll still die in five days. Because if the future changes and he doesn't get nabbed by his past self and killed then that would undo his 'alibi'.

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[j9ac9k]

I've only read a review of the issue, not the issue itself, (this was not something I wanted to support with my money) but from what I've seen, I have two questions:
-- How does this explain that the two "greatest" detectives each thought Harley and Booster did it respectively? Was Wally really able to meticulously tamper with the crime scene so that people would think that either Harley or Booster did it? (like the fake teeth in Commander Steel's throat)
-- If he went through the trouble of such an elaborate cover-up/frame job, why did he record a confession?

[KOSLOX]

I've only read a review of the issue, not the issue itself, (this was not something I wanted to support with my money) but from what I've seen, I have two questions:
-- How does this explain that the two "greatest" detectives each thought Harley and Booster did it respectively? Was Wally really able to meticulously tamper with the crime scene so that people would think that either Harley or Booster did it? (like the fake teeth in Commander Steel's throat)
-- If he went through the trouble of such an elaborate cover-up/frame job, why did he record a confession?

All of the cover-up and crime happened in the blink of an eye.

The recording was after he'd had days to reflect on it.

[Tenzel Kim]

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So then when those days catch up Wally should be dead since he killed his future self when those five days pass, past Wally will come and kill him. Wally should be dead now. Those days caught up with him at the end of issue 7. What we see in issue 8 is what happened prior to that. Or rather we see what happened after the death of the heroes. Him fixing the Sanctuary simulations so that Harley and Booster each saw the other having done the killing, then going to the future to kill his future self, and then going back to plant the body. What we have yet to see is what happened during those five days in between the flashback in this issue and him being killed five days later.

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All of what you see in issue 8 happens prior to issue 1. The only character whose appearance here follows the previous issues is future Wally, whose appearance here follows his appearance in issue 7, but whose dead body's appearance precedes issue 1.

[mrjames21]

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True... which means he'll still die in five days. Because if the future changes and he doesn't get nabbed by his past self and killed then that would undo his 'alibi'.

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None of this makes any sense. Following the Flash War, the Speed Force was cut off the Time Stream and all speedsters are unable to time travel. Now you want to tell me that he can travel into the future, kill his future self (instead of going to the past and stopping it from happening to begin with) it's dumb and not true to character.

[kingaliencracker]

None of this makes any sense. Following the Flash War, the Speed Force was cut off the Time Stream and all speedsters are unable to time travel. Now you want to tell me that he can travel into the future, kill his future self (instead of going to the past and stopping it from happening to begin with) it's dumb and not true to character.

Delete/Duplicate.

[kingaliencracker]

None of this makes any sense. Following the Flash War, the Speed Force was cut off the Time Stream and all speedsters are unable to time travel. Now you want to tell me that he can travel into the future, kill his future self (instead of going to the past and stopping it from happening to begin with) it's dumb and not true to character.

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Based on this thread, it was explained he used Booster's time travelling tech.

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[Rend20]

So in issue three, we are shown La'gaan coming across some dead bodies and his death right after. But this latest issue has him with everyone else when things 'go bad'.

Is there any explanation for this or was it simply a case of King not being able to keep his own story straight?

[ShinySephiroth]

Further insanity here:

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I told my wife what happened and she said, "so Wally made being fried by lightning bolts look like being shot?" Me (tongue in cheek): "No, this was Speed Force lightning, so they were impaled." Her: "Oh, yes... the pointed spear tips of Speed Force Lightning. Of course!" Me: "So he then used his CSI training from simply 'knowing how Barry AND Batman think'... you know... two of the greatest detectives ever... to make those spear wounds look like bullet holes. Maybe using his speed to change the shape of the holes in their bodies to match a gun." Her (irritated but laughing): "you know this makes him sound super sadistic. He either did what you said and then got Bullets and covered them with his friends' blood, or he got a gun and shot their corpses."

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And he did it all in a way that tricked Batman!

[Lee Stone]

So in issue three, we are shown La'gaan coming across some dead bodies and his death right after. But this latest issue has him with everyone else when things 'go bad'.

Is there any explanation for this or was it simply a case of King not being able to keep his own story straight?

La'gaan traveled to the past to investigate with his non-existent super-speed powers that totally don't allow time-travel, and got caught in the blast.

[ShinySephiroth]

La'gaan traveled to the past to investigate with his non-existent super-speed powers that totally don't allow time-travel, and got caught in the blast.

Even though I laughed harder than I should have... this is inexcusable. From my PoV, this issue was retconned and because of fan backlash they have changed what the intended outcome of the event was supposed to be and they are going to try and do something... redeeming? Or more baffling, I don't know. But this issue reeks of rushed rewrites.

EDIT - I mentioned this to my wife and she said spoilers:

that maybe that is a hint that Wally actually didn't do any of this and someone is manipulating his broken mind, and now he is the real bad guy's pawn...

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I'd like to believe that a little, but I think that is giving this story too much credit.

[Eduardo]

Thought of that (La'gaan), and I am thinking it is part of

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"the version" of events that either Booster/Harley saw while inside, so they thought all the killings weren't at the same time, which would be a clue to speed.

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Yikes, I hate writing that.

Also, let's ponder that

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Wally West, using super speed, to frame Harley, inserted that smiling toy down the corpse of a deceased friend/ally/fellow hero.

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DAMN IT.

[WallyWestFlash]

Further insanity here:

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I told my wife what happened and she said, "so Wally made being fried by lightning bolts look like being shot?" Me (tongue in cheek): "No, this was Speed Force lightning, so they were impaled." Her: "Oh, yes... the pointed spear tips of Speed Force Lightning. Of course!" Me: "So he then used his CSI training from simply 'knowing how Barry AND Batman think'... you know... two of the greatest detectives ever... to make those spear wounds look like bullet holes. Maybe using his speed to change the shape of the holes in their bodies to match a gun." Her (irritated but laughing): "you know this makes him sound super sadistic. He either did what you said and then got Bullets and covered them with his friends' blood, or he got a gun and shot their corpses."

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And he did it all in a way that tricked Batman!

Your wife makes a lot of good points.