“Heroes in Crisis” Limited Series by Tom King & Clay Mann to Start in September

[ConnorHawke]

I still remember on the old comicbloc forums, Johns promising that Flash Rebirth was not the end of Wally and Barry coming back would be better for him, that he'd still continue to kick ass.

What a load of bullshit that and literally every other public sentiment from DC about Wally has been. I'm sure it wasn't Johns' intent, but when everyone reading the comic saw it coming he's a fool for thinking anything else but stuff like this was going to happen.

Thinking about the history since Didio's been holding the reins, I don't really believe many of the writers have as much say as we think they do.

One of the first major things Didio did when taking over (apart from writing Superboy to cancellation!) was to start injecting death and destruction porn into the DCU, and killing off characters wholesale. Sure, Johns wrote Infinite Crisis, but who was driving the line?

OYL was a fustercluck, a shambolic and poorly planned idea that should have been given a year or so more of planning. From then on, it started to get worse: more death, more characters dropping into obscurity (if not killed off), more reboots, and more and more destruction porn. The events got bigger, with bigger shock values etc, until people just couldn't be bothered any more and stopped buying.

Bang. OYL all over again with the New 52.

But before that, Johns seemed to be clinging to a concept of reparations. He claimed that, although he was responsible for a lot of the death and gore (from a writing standpoint), he was trying to improve it. With Brightest Day there was supposed to be a moratorium on death. No revolving door. Deaths were to be permanent (heh, comics). I think this was to hamper the overuse of the death and rebirth storyline, which was just too stale by far, by that point.

He tried the same thing with Rebirth. I recall seeing his interview at the time, which seemed almost a desperate sales pitch. He even said he thought the readers wouldn't trust DC with their goals. In hindsight, nobody should have, because those goals of a lightness and hope-infused line aren't held by Didio and those in control.

There must be some serious infighting over there, and Johns probably puts up with that crap (when he's not initiating it) every day.

I'd hate to have Didio as a boss if I was a creator. He's got to go. He's like a bull in a china shop, with the impulse control of a toddler.

My opinion, take it for what it's worth.

[byrd156]

People said the same about 8, you're just hurting yourself at this point. This is how it is going to be, get used to it.

I've been holding on to hope since the reboot and I honestly don't care anymore. Is this supposed to be enjoyable?

I seriously think the current heads at DC have killed my love for comics.

[sakuyamons]

That was one of the worse events I have read.

[byrd156]

Jump at 08:40 of the video:

I'd rather jump off a cliff.

[byrd156]

And yet, how many people thought Identity Crisis was a good story?

(Granted, you can't exactly compare what they did there to Jean Loring, Sue Dibny, and others with what King is pulling in Heroes in Crisis, but . . . )

You can compare, it's the same bulls*** just smaller characters. Identity Crisis was an early warning sign for the kind of crap DC was going to pull for the next decade and onward. DC has been on a downward spiral ever since, I'm not buying anything else until the current heads are gone.

[byrd156]

Today's lesson:

There's always a cost for doing the right thing or following your dream.
Sometimes it's your family getting murdered, or your wife getting raped by a C-list villain...
Sometimes you just go boom and kill a bunch of other heroes.

Solution: Don't do the right thing, and avoid your dreams.
Everyone will be happier.

This is my favorite post. I want to get this framed for my wall.

I'm glad these are the kind of lessons and ideals DC wants to push forward. I hope they stay transparent about it going forward.

[kurenai24]

Heroes in Crisis #8

Positive: One bit of dialogue from Wally that actually sounded realistic.

Negative: Despite the fact that Tom King deals with depression and ptsd he unfortunately doesn't have the writing skills to portray something that effects him on a personal level without it coming across as fake deep and sensationalistic.

[ConnorHawke]

You can compare, it's the same bulls*** just smaller characters. Identity Crisis was an early warning sign for the kind of crap DC was going to pull for the next decade and onward. DC has been on a downward spiral ever since, I'm not buying anything else until the current heads are gone.

You're right. It was an early warning. That and Graduation Day. It's been a train wreck ever since.

I jumped ship from issue 2 of The New 52, came back for rebirth, jumped off again with No Justice, and am currently buying only Doomsday Clock to wrap up Rebirth.

[Buried Alien]

People said the same about 8, you're just hurting yourself at this point. This is how it is going to be, get used to it.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Running Rebel Alive!)

[Tenzel Kim]

Jump at 08:40 of the video:

From the video (around 10:21): "All of Heroes in Crisis is about the fact that denying your pain or repressing your pain or dealing with your stress by not thinking about it is not the way to go. We kinda have to face that we're going through this together and we have to somehow get through it together"

So his answer to having people face their pain or dealing with their stress is to do the exact opposite of reaching out and getting help so that they can get through it together, the best option is not tell anyone. At least not until you've covered your tracks after accidentally causing the death of a number of heroes and only just before you kill yourself. Now that HAS to be the best way to reach out and get through your problems...

Now had Heroes in Crisis been not only about Wally's struggles with having his past life (including his marriage and kids) erased and then about his accidental killing of the other heroes this could have been a strong series. One that not only put a focus on tragedy but also how you get through it. Or maybe even have this end with Wally not being able to cope with it, shutting himself off and deciding to try to make up for what he did by wanting to get himself arrested for the deaths and joining the Suicide Squad to try to make amends. Have it be about how the other heroes (aspecially the Trinity) would be torn when realizing that the deaths were on them so to speak. That it might very well be the way Sanctuary was set up that resulted in this crisis.

[lordozone]

Worst event of DC since Cry for Justice. There is absolutely no hope, no light. Between this and Knightmare, I think we are starting to see the limits of Tom King (and he was my favorite writer).

[married guy]

From the video (around 10:21): "All of Heroes in Crisis is about the fact that denying your pain or repressing your pain or dealing with your stress by not thinking about it is not the way to go. We kinda have to face that we're going through this together and we have to somehow get through it together"

So his answer to having people face their pain or dealing with their stress is to do the exact opposite of reaching out and getting help so that they can get through it together, the best option is not tell anyone. At least not until you've covered your tracks after accidentally causing the death of a number of heroes and only just before you kill yourself. Now that HAS to be the best way to reach out and get through your problems...

PLEASE tell me. In what fucking world does THIS sound like something Wally West would EVER do??
Where could you point out in an issue of the Flash - there's 60 years of issues to choose from, Wally West would choose to cover up ANYTHING, let alone commit suicide???
If there was anyone out there who doubted that Dan DiDio disliked Wally West - look no further!!

[married guy]

Worst event of DC since Cry of Justice. There is absolutely no hope, no light. Between this and Knightmare, I think we are starting to see the limits of Tom King (and he was my favorite writer).

This atrocity makes Cry for Justice read like Keats.

[Tenzel Kim]

PLEASE tell me. In what fucking world does THIS sound like something Wally West would EVER do??
Where could you point out in an issue of the Flash - there's 60 years of issues to choose from, Wally West would choose to cover up ANYTHING, let alone commit suicide???

My point exactly.

[Jekyll]

PLEASE tell me. In what fucking world does THIS sound like something Wally West would EVER do??
Where could you point out in an issue of the Flash - there's 60 years of issues to choose from, Wally West would choose to cover up ANYTHING, let alone commit suicide???
If there was anyone out there who doubted that Dan DiDio disliked Wally West - look no further!!

Nailed it! That abomination is Wally in name only as he was written so far out of character. None of that crap is clever or makes any sense.