All this is completely irrelevant, the Ivy who exists in current continuity has never killed anyone and certainly has never raped anyone comparing her to someone like purple man is ridiculous.
He was talking about Purple Man and Dr. Light, that people would freak out if someone tried to redeem them but people find it okay for Ivy since she is apart of ecology, queerness, and feminism like kjn said. Just read the last part of Phantom's post. I feel like you don't read the full posts and then we go off into tangents where I have to repeat myself and others.
"It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does? - Gaff Blade Runner
"In a short time, this will be a long time ago." - Werner Slow West
"One of the biggest problems in the industry is apathy right now." - Dan Didio Co-Publisher of I Wonder Why That Is Comics
Not necessarily. And I note that three of the stories I pointed to ends with Ivy in Arkham, either on-camera or implied.
But it places Poison Ivy squarely in the intersection of several questions that are important today, no matter if she is handled in-story as a villain, an anti-villain, an anti-hero, or a hero.
I also note that even if Ivy is killed in HiC, even then I find the cover to be in excessively poor taste, and serves to normalise sexual violence in comics, general media, and our culture. That also is regardless of if one sees or treats Ivy as a villain, an anti-villain, an anti-hero, or a hero.
I did read the full posts. That is why I am asking if Ivy has ever raped or sexually assaulted someone.
Yes I am aware he was talking about Purple Man and Dr Light and them being redeemed and why that would be seen in poor taste. I am asking how this applies to Ivy who, to my knowledge, has not raped or sexually assaulted anyone. Since according to phantom, that would make her irredeemable. If you or he can answer that question, I would very much appreciate it.
Last edited by Agent Z; 12-14-2018 at 07:55 AM.
How does this cover normalize sexual violence? I think you're reaching here. It shows she died in a pose that is entirely possible to die in without any form of sexual violence being involved. You may not like it but that doesn't mean that it celebrates sexual violence. Saying that it does takes away from legitimate arguments dealing with these issues. Could it have been done differently? Sure, but it wasn't and what we have, while not great, still doesn't do the things you're stating.
During Ostrander’s Suicide Squad (#41, I think), she is shown to have a third-world despot under her thumb and says she is “running” him with sex. It also was implied that she had sex with Count Vertigo while he was in her power.
Basically the entirety of The Poison Tomorrow heavily implies that she had sex with multiple guys under her influence.
During Mike Deodato’s Wonder Woman (#94ish) she’s shown to have an older guy under her thumb. She’s dressed in a nightie and, again, it’s not explicit but the implication is there.
I realize those are older references, but the question said “ever”. DC’s moved away from depicting her that way over the years, probably because they realize how problematic it is.
I’m sure she has contempt for her victims, though - most rapists do.
Last edited by Coco Loco; 12-14-2018 at 09:49 AM.
Cheers - CL
You definitely can't die in that position, or at least be dead in that position. Your core and chest has to prop your ass up to be like that, something that is very hard to do as a corpse unless someone posed you there for a bit until rigor mortis sets in. It's a classic pin up model pose and those poses are rarely natural. Especially with the eye looking up at the viewer.
Last edited by Talon1load; 12-14-2018 at 10:51 AM.
She was murdered, yes. Her dead body is shown in a manner that you see as sexually provocative, ok. That does not constitue normalizing sexual violence. Sexual violence requires both to play a factor in the violence. This isn't displaying a sexual assualt or anything like that so your assertion doesn't make sense.