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    Quote Originally Posted by Geraldofrivia View Post
    Why though? Wonder Woman has lot of villains. There is no reason for Cheetah arc to be carried to sequels
    Cheetah and all her main villains should have more than one appearance in the films. It helps with establishing them more in the mind of the general audience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlight25 View Post
    Cheetah and all her main villains should have more than one appearance in the films. It helps with establishing them more in the mind of the general audience.
    I don't know if they're going to continue with the building of the Legion of Doom, but if they are, then Cheetah will still be around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlight25 View Post
    But it can be done. And Cheetah is the type of villain that can work as a recurrent role in the franchise. There is a lot that can be done with her in the long run. Since she has potential as anti hero and eventually get redemption.
    Quote Originally Posted by Geraldofrivia View Post
    Why though? Wonder Woman has lot of villains. There is no reason for Cheetah arc to be carried to sequels
    Because The Cheetah is her Main villain. This is like asking why do we keep seeing Lex Luthor. Barbara Ann or even Priscilla should be treated as her Lex Luthor/Joker. And the more often we see her, and she's treated with respect, power and fear, the more she can turn into that type of villain for Diana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geraldofrivia View Post
    Why though? Wonder Woman has lot of villains. There is no reason for Cheetah arc to be carried to sequels
    Because ... if written correctly, Cheetah can be a sympathetic, compelling, powerful and charismatic villain. Or even an anti-heroine. If Cheetah returns, maybe it's because Diana frees her from prison to help Diana battle some other villain (e.g. Circe).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geraldofrivia View Post
    Why though? Wonder Woman has lot of villains. There is no reason for Cheetah arc to be carried to sequels
    Black Manta's arc is carrying over into sequels, so why can't Cheetah's?
    Especially as that doesn't prevent any other villains from appearing as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    Black Manta's arc is carrying over into sequels, so why can't Cheetah's?
    Especially as that doesn't prevent any other villains from appearing as well.
    Yep, and since Patty Jenkins seems set to focus on the personal relation between Barbara Ann Minerve and Diana, and not only on the Wonder Woman–Cheetah antagonism, it's really well suited to a two-film arc where Cheetah is the emerging villain/monster in the first film.

    In a way, current-day Diana and Cheetah are much like Professor X and Magneto: powerful people who violently oppose each other but still remain friends in more than one way and deeply respect each other.

    Villain churning has become part of the MCU formula, but it's not the only way to make good superhero films.
    «Speaking generally, it is because of the desire of the tragic poets for the marvellous that so varied and inconsistent an account of Medea has been given out» (Diodorus Siculus, The Library of History [4.56.1])

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjn View Post
    Yep, and since Patty Jenkins seems set to focus on the personal relation between Barbara Ann Minerve and Diana, and not only on the Wonder Woman–Cheetah antagonism, it's really well suited to a two-film arc where Cheetah is the emerging villain/monster in the first film.

    In a way, current-day Diana and Cheetah are much like Professor X and Magneto: powerful people who violently oppose each other but still remain friends in more than one way and deeply respect each other.

    Villain churning has become part of the MCU formula, but it's not the only way to make good superhero films.
    Professor X Magneto relationship works better with her mother, Artemis, Ares not with Cheetah.

    Cheetah does not fit as a Magneto type character since she fights for herself or her interest than some larger interest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geraldofrivia View Post
    Professor X Magneto relationship works better with her mother, Artemis, Ares not with Cheetah.

    Cheetah does not fit as a Magneto type character since she fights for herself or her interest than some larger interest
    If you reduce them to just their ideals and not their relationship together, then yeah, Cheetah and Diana don't mix. But the relationship that Diana and Barbara Ann share is very reminiscent of Charles and Erik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyssane View Post
    If you reduce them to just their ideals and not their relationship together, then yeah, Cheetah and Diana don't mix. But the relationship that Diana and Barbara Ann share is very reminiscent of Charles and Erik.
    I see Cheetah as more of Dark Pheonix Jean than Magneto. Diana trying to save her and the world from her dark powers

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    Quote Originally Posted by richalex View Post
    Because The Cheetah is her Main villain. This is like asking why do we keep seeing Lex Luthor. Barbara Ann or even Priscilla should be treated as her Lex Luthor/Joker. And the more often we see her, and she's treated with respect, power and fear, the more she can turn into that type of villain for Diana.
    Totally agree, Cheetah will never be a worthy arch-nemesis to Wonder Woman unless somebody puts in the effort to build her up as such, and gets the ball rolling

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    Quote Originally Posted by VonHammersmark View Post
    Totally agree, Cheetah will never be a worthy arch-nemesis to Wonder Woman unless somebody puts in the effort to build her up as such, and gets the ball rolling
    I can only see the Cheetah as someone that got knocked out by Batman by one punch (dismissively) and outfought by a non superpowered Catwoman.

    Not really the worthy arch-nemesis that Wonder Woman should have.

    But hey, maybe Diana will fly in the movie, albeit not under her own power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiteTheBullet View Post
    I can only see the Cheetah as someone that got knocked out by Batman by one punch (dismissively) and outfought by a non superpowered Catwoman.

    Not really the worthy arch-nemesis that Wonder Woman should have.
    If that's all you can see is two maybe three instances where Barbara Ann was written horribly, instead of the many other issues,especially as written by Perez, Simone, Jimenez, Johns and Rucka, where she was written as a terrifying powerhouse, well that's pretty bad and you are only seeing what you want to see.

    There are far more stories with her written correctly than incorrectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BiteTheBullet View Post
    I can only see the Cheetah as someone that got knocked out by Batman by one punch (dismissively) and outfought by a non superpowered Catwoman.

    Not really the worthy arch-nemesis that Wonder Woman should have.

    But hey, maybe Diana will fly in the movie, albeit not under her own power.
    Batman has also done that to Aquaman, WW, etc. Bad writng proves nothing. Cheetah needs to be treated with respect to buil her up as an archy villain. She has potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiteTheBullet View Post
    I can only see the Cheetah as someone that got knocked out by Batman by one punch (dismissively) and outfought by a non superpowered Catwoman.

    Not really the worthy arch-nemesis that Wonder Woman should have.

    But hey, maybe Diana will fly in the movie, albeit not under her own power.
    Cheetah does have a terrible track-record but I'm hoping this movie turns her luck around

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geraldofrivia View Post
    Professor X Magneto relationship works better with her mother, Artemis, Ares not with Cheetah.

    Cheetah does not fit as a Magneto type character since she fights for herself or her interest than some larger interest
    No two arch enemy match ups are the same. When people compare them to Xavier/Magneto it's because that's another classic hero/villain match up with a complicated love/hate dynamic. Not simplifying it to her literally being Magneto with tits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geraldofrivia View Post
    I see Cheetah as more of Dark Pheonix Jean than Magneto. Diana trying to save her and the world from her dark powers
    She's nowhere close to a Dark Phoenix. And that's not a problem at all, as few other rogues galleries even have a figure like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by BiteTheBullet View Post
    I can only see the Cheetah as someone that got knocked out by Batman by one punch (dismissively) and outfought by a non superpowered Catwoman.

    Not really the worthy arch-nemesis that Wonder Woman should have.
    The problem is you're reading appearances by her by Batman writers who don't give a crap about Wonder Woman and letting them dictate how you view the character. Read Perez, Jimenez and Rucka. And Batman will not be appearing in this film, and the majority of people who will see it will never pick up a comic book, so who cares?

    Or blame Marston. He's the one who established Cheetah as one of her primary enemies, which lead to subsequent usage and revamps. It's not a matter of "should," she straight up is the arch nemesis thanks to comic book survival of the fittest. She made it from 1944 to now when few other recurring enemies did. And the other contenders for the throne, Ares and Circe, aren't exactly swimming in great stories themselves and the latter has nowhere near the other media presence.

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