One, thank you for the correction. It's been a while since I last heard the quote.
Two, my original point still stands. It's not about his "powers", but who the man is, as Max continued to describe him.
BTW, Don't let that stick up your butt get in the way of a good discussion. You're coming off a bit combative in this case.
I am cause. Its been a while and people don't seem to get the meaning behind "superman". They just want average man. We have been stuck with just that guy since 1980's.superman as an ip has never gotten any better.people keep saying and trying to tell what superman shouldn't be.and never say what he should be. Power matters. The powers accentuate the man he is and the character he has. To quote Lincoln said: “Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. ”
If power really didn't matter? Then fine, have flash lose and be second. Superman is a flight of imagination. Especially, when he is the silverage guy. Without that there is no impact.he is fast. He is strong. He is intelligent. He can do anything except control your desires and action. That is the essence of silverage guy. The best superman we had in two decades had the silverage guy. All star superman is silverage guy in a nutshell. "human" ising clark like peter parker has never worked and will never work. They are two different characters with two different evolution.
I don't need to. The books from 1930's to 1980's speak it for me. @dswynne was the one who said superman doesn't or shouldn't be this or that - something Along those lines. Superman doesn't need power to be superman .. Etc. That's all suger cotting nonsense. Powerfantasy is one of superman's attributes. That's the blunt truth. And I just said what max landis really said.Superman was best when he was breaking chains. Not when he settled for being in them comfortably .
Power Fantasy is also part of the Flash's fantasy. I don't get why you think Superman's tertiary power fantasy should overrule Flash's primary.
I mean, I get why. You like Superman more. But it's not a good reason.
It’s the preference of many Superman fans..especially those steeped in the Silver Age..fans that Superman is top echelon in his core powers, intelligence, vision, strength, speed, physical durability.
It’s up to DC whether they want to cater to that preference..there’s a fair amount of evidence they don’t..so I guess at least some such fans do what I do and don’t bother buying any modern Superman stuff.
Flash was the fastest man alive in the Silver Age, too. This hasn't changed.
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But he is not just a normal man. He is man of tomorrow, a sun god and one who invokes myths of old. He is modern Hercules, except with the humility and an example of nurture trumping over temptation of absolute power. If Superman is just another hero who gets bested in everything, where is the awe of his power?
Max being a creep and his opinions on Superman aren't mutually exclusive. He can still be an absolute rubbish person and be correct about a fictional construct or character. Judging an idea based on its source as opposed to its own merit is the practice of every adult who wishes themselves to be in some way an authority on a matter, such as when parents dismiss their children's input because how can a child know more than an adult? You don't have to be an actor to critique a performance and you certainly don't have to be a good person to have an opinion on a fictional good person.
A good idea is a good idea, no matter where it comes from. I don't want Max Landis writing Clark again for a long time-- if ever-- but he can still provide his own insight that may be particularly well-founded. Neither fundamentally invalidates the other.
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