Astonishing X-men 13 (Spoilers)

[CuteClops]

Gabby isn't even enrolled in the school?!? She's traveling with Wolverine, who currently doesn't have any affiliation with the school and hasn't for a long time.

She's a little girl x-soldier who's fighting against sentinels and murderers of mutants.
Do you agree with that?
Or just Havok cannot recruit little kids to be X-Men? You know, like Xavier and Jean Grey?

[Knives]

So none of the students went with Alex, right?

Not though at least this time I think it was the right decision. Moreover, the students did not seem very interested or seemed to distrust him what is understandable.

Havok have his heart in the right place wanting to make up for mistakes or go back to being a hero but he does not have a plan or a goal much less allies that share the same vision.

What Havok needs right now is not being hero or leading a team throughout this story think he will realize this.

[Havok83]

She's a little girl x-soldier who's fighting against sentinels and murderers of mutants.
Do you agree with that?
Or just Havok cannot recruit little kids to be X-Men? You know, like Xavier and Jean Grey?

Jean and Xavier no longer run the school. Kitty and Wolverine are the only ones that have upheld this kids dont fight mantra. As stated Gabby isnt enrolled at the school and she isnt Kitty's ward. She has no say as to what Laura and now Jean do with her. She can bitch about if she wants but they can tell her to f--k off which I wish more people would do

[DurararaFTW]

Havok is written as desperate but his pitch that he and Beast were always meant to be X-Men doesn't ring true for me. He wanted out plenty of times and lived the quiet life with Lorna for years. He always came back more out of duty then because it's what he wanted to do himself.

Kitty and Beast thinking any single person gets to unilaterally say who is an X-Men and who is not is super not okay with me. Wolverine would hang his head in shame at that.

Also seriously? The Avengers told a giant monster to thrash through Wallstreet and are surprised someone thought the situation needed immediate response?

[Fokken]

You mean, like Gabby, in X-Men Gold?

Gabby is not a student at an institution that expressly avoids its student body participating in "field" work.

Whether people agree with Gabby's participation on team RED or not, the circumstances are different.

[nandes]

I like Rosenberg but he really overdoes with the catty dialogue sometimes. This was basically Everyone is an *******: the comic.

[SpiderClops]

"You don't own the name "X-Men"."
"Legally, I do."

Whhhaaaatttt????

[TheCape]

"You don't own the name "X-Men"."
"Legally, I do."

Whhhaaaatttt????

I thougth that same, like

[Revenant]

Greg Land is overly reliant on reference images, he straight up traces images. His reference images are also very limited and questionably sourced (porn), he has used the same traced woman's face for Jean, Storm, Emma, Hope, Psylocke, Monet, Dazzler, Domino, and others. He has used the same fugly dude's traced face for Scott, Havok, Angel, and Gambit. Because of his reliance on reference images his work is stiff, static, and overly posed; this is especially clear in his action sequences which are terrible. Because he tends to default to porn smiles and O faces it is very difficult to accurately gauge tone in any book drawn by him. In Fraction's run every woman looks like they are talking exclusively in sexy baby voice. Finally, these critiques have been around since Land started drawing in this style over a decade ago, there is no way he is unaware of these problems with his work and yet he has done absolutely nothing to grow or better himself as an artist, he is lazy. Marvel needs to remove him from the X-books yesterday.

Is porn that bad? I understand your point about stiff and static work, but I find his art quite beautiful. I loved his Uncanny X-Men. I read almost every single X-Men book and most lack good art (Avengers generally have better panels). Stuart Immomen, Olivier Coipel, the Dodsons, Land are some of the rare X-Men artists that deliver awesome work.

[CuteClops]

Jean and Xavier no longer run the school. Kitty and Wolverine are the only ones that have upheld this kids dont fight mantra. As stated Gabby isnt enrolled at the school and she isnt Kitty's ward. She has no say as to what Laura and now Jean do with her. She can bitch about if she wants but they can tell her to f--k off which I wish more people would do

Gabby is not a student at an institution that expressly avoids its student body participating in "field" work.

Whether people agree with Gabby's participation on team RED or not, the circumstances are different.

The first X-Men were five kids.
Xavier has always used kids as x-soldiers.
Kitty Pryde was just a little kid when she became X-Men.
And this all happened at the x-school.

So, I repeat, Havok, and before him, Scott, are convicted of using kids as soldiers, because, you know, X-Men cannot be children. But it seems that this rule is only valid for the Summers brothers.
But of course, we're talking about the X-Men, and hypocrisy is the key word here.

[Fokken]

omg now all I want in life is for Kitty to try to "intervene" on behalf of Gabby's "welfare" and have Gabby tell Kitty to F--k off.


oh gawd yes.

[Dante Milton]

Is porn that bad? I understand your point about stiff and static work, but I find his art quite beautiful. I loved his Uncanny X-Men. I read almost every single X-Men book and most lack good art (Avengers generally have better panels). Stuart Immomen, Olivier Coipel, the Dodsons, Land are some of the rare X-Men artists that deliver awesome work.

Porn and smut in general are fine. It shouldn't be the default for every situation. It negatively affects tone, and is wildly inappropriate for under age characters. You asked why people don't like his work, this is why. You are, of course, free to like whatever you want. I've found that people unfamiliar with how to make art or basic drawing skills tend to see his realistic approach to faces and objects and think it's neat or good, but like, copying and tracing stuff is really easy, requiring almost no skill.

I forgot to mention his poor layouts, and bizarre contrast between realistically rendered faces and highly stylized figure work.

[Fantasy Free Me]

"You don't own the name "X-Men"."
"Legally, I do."

Whhhaaaatttt????

Yeah, wtf, did I miss something? When did this happen?

Because she may be the headmistress (just because Storm decided to give her the spot) but to be quite honest I don't think she deserves it, not a little bit, and even less the X-Men name.

[lurkerforyears]

I like Rosenberg but he really overdoes with the catty dialogue sometimes. This was basically Everyone is an *******: the comic.

I prefer this to fluffy "we are all a happy family living in the mansion" books, and I think he'd write a great Emma.

[SpiderClops]

Did they ever actually patented the name "X-Men"?