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Then we have this right here:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/rNcZiWduhm...fkIAOWgA=s1600
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/aeyTNlfAxI...1O8sGjVM=s1600
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/qoUhcIMZFw...UBG88Syu=s1600
If Xavier can give Dark Phoenix a fight like this in psychic combat, I don't see how any of the Grey telepaths can hope to prevail against him in psi-war without the PF boosting them up.
Last edited by rutog98; 08-20-2018 at 04:37 PM.
Just keep in mind which psychics were on Utopia at that time. Uncanny X-Men 527 lol
Here, without Cerebro or anything boosting his powers, Xavier draws every element of Jean's psyche out of Emma's body and into his own mind before sending Jean's mind back into her own body:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/mlzNUHj_5e...cy924PIn=s1600
Then, of course, part of one of my earlier posts:
Last edited by rutog98; 08-20-2018 at 05:03 PM.
Jean's humanity offered some restraint on the Dark Phoenix's power in the fight which allowed Xavier to win, true, but he was strong enough to fight Dark Phoenix on all the infinite planes of existence simultaneously and was able to put up those psychic breakers in her mind. Say what you will, but this puts him leagues above the Grey telepaths.
Yes. He was able to do all those amazing things. With Jean's help. He flat out says it. He doesn't say when she helped, he never says 'she helped at this particular time' he says he felt her fighting Dark Phoenix, helping him. Not offering "some" restraint but fighting her. Don't play. I'm not getting into this with you because I know how you are and how you twist things to take shine from other characters so I'm just going to leave this right where it's at. But I see you.
Now go on ahead and write some long winded reply to try and discredit what the scan shows, I promise you I won't be reading it.
And as always you just love twisting things lol. Of course they were taken by surprise. If the O5 had gotten from that quote that Xavier was about to mindwipe them, do you really think they would all be just standing there, doing nothing? "Oh, you're gonna mess with my mind? Ok, go ahead". Rosenberg himself said Jean's guard was down.
There's no evidence in canon to state that Rachel is more powerful then Emma. Canon would allude to the opposite. But an extrapolation of Emma being better then Rachel can be made from the Exodus fight.
No, the 8 billion minds have been suffering eternal damnation for decades. Did you even read the scan? She's not "struggling" they're screaming in anguish when she scans them because they're living dead
What’s funny is I keep up with college football message boards and the arguments over who is the better team are talked about just like threads like this.
1.“Team a has this player, who has this feat and better stats than teams b and c, so team a is better”
2. “Team a beat team b, and team b beat team c, therefore team a is better than team c” (only later team a gets crushed by team c)
3. “Team a has a better record than team b and c so team a is better” (yet team c simply doesn’t have the same teams on their schedule so they don’t get to show off their skills or ‘feats’ if you will).
4. “Team a beat team b so team a is better.” (Yet they rematch later and team b destroys team a because they have a psychological edge )
Point is it’s like Rosenberg said. So many things can affect a given winner. It’s hard to say with confidence who’s quantitatively best, unless you eliminate all variables and have everyone somehow face everyone individually in a vacuum with no extenuating circumstances,
But I digress. I know it’s fun to debate these things
Your favorite superhero- the one you visit these forums to talk about. Would they talk to others the way you do on this message board?
1) You didn’t answer my question. In which panel is Emma allowing Rachel to recover? Panels in your head don’t count.
Also Emma tried to take Rachel down twice and failed. In fact Rachel inverted both her attacks against her. It’s only when Rachel shot out with psychological warfare that Emma, finally the master of the subject, inverted that attack and made Rachel eeyore out.
2) Yes and this was after Exodus successfully dominated or fought off Quicksilver, Jean, Wanda, Crystal, War Machine, Cyclops, Storm, SERSEI, Gambit, Bishop, Black Knight, Captain America...
3) Emma’s never beaten Exodus though. She stalemated him a best, as she did Rachel in direct combat until resorting to daddy issues.