Who is the top Telepath? the best telepath there is in the X-books?

[ExodusCloak]

[butterflykyss]

thank you.... I've yet to understand the lowballing of xavier's mental abilities.

[rutog98]

thank you.... I've yet to understand the lowballing of xavier's mental abilities.

Then we have this right here:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/rNcZiWduhm...fkIAOWgA=s1600
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/aeyTNlfAxI...1O8sGjVM=s1600
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/qoUhcIMZFw...UBG88Syu=s1600

If Xavier can give Dark Phoenix a fight like this in psychic combat, I don't see how any of the Grey telepaths can hope to prevail against him in psi-war without the PF boosting them up.

[ExodusCloak]

Just keep in mind which psychics were on Utopia at that time. Uncanny X-Men 527 lol

[butterflykyss]

Then we have this right here:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/rNcZiWduhm...fkIAOWgA=s1600
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/aeyTNlfAxI...1O8sGjVM=s1600
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/qoUhcIMZFw...UBG88Syu=s1600

If Xavier can give Dark Phoenix a fight like this in psychic combat, I don't see how any of the Grey telepaths can hope to prevail against him in psi-war without the PF boosting them up.

well this sealed the deal for me.. I forgot about this thank you.

[rutog98]

Here, without Cerebro or anything boosting his powers, Xavier draws every element of Jean's psyche out of Emma's body and into his own mind before sending Jean's mind back into her own body:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/mlzNUHj_5e...cy924PIn=s1600

Then, of course, part of one of my earlier posts:

Now, let's look at Xavier's feats!

X-Men #90: Xavier is on Skrullworld and Galactus is in space on his ship. Xavier projects his astral form from planetside to Galactus who is, again, in space:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/NhSlE6rAhD4...QtilMD5Q=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/xULEBCUPWYB...ZVls7lVQ=s1600

Note in the second scan how it states there are 8 billion skrulls on the planet. Now, after establishing contact with Galactus despite the distance, Xavier channels all of the feelings of every skrull on the planet to Galactus. So, he connects with all 8 billion minds and shows Galactus their collective thoughts and feelings.

Then we have the X-Men #78 where Shadow King mind controls billions minds on Earth and he states that Xavier was his only threat:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/hQigr8g9Ibt...qXiY7PpB=s1600

This indicates that Xavier is in the same powerclass as Shadow King and could likely do the same thing.

[Peanutsinspace]

Then we have this right here:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/rNcZiWduhm...fkIAOWgA=s1600
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/aeyTNlfAxI...1O8sGjVM=s1600
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/qoUhcIMZFw...UBG88Syu=s1600

If Xavier can give Dark Phoenix a fight like this in psychic combat, I don't see how any of the Grey telepaths can hope to prevail against him in psi-war without the PF boosting them up.

That wasn't just Xavier on his own. Jean helped him fight against the Dark Phoenix.

[rutog98]

That wasn't just Xavier on his own. Jean helped him fight against the Dark Phoenix.

Jean's humanity offered some restraint on the Dark Phoenix's power in the fight which allowed Xavier to win, true, but he was strong enough to fight Dark Phoenix on all the infinite planes of existence simultaneously and was able to put up those psychic breakers in her mind. Say what you will, but this puts him leagues above the Grey telepaths.

[Peanutsinspace]

Jean's humanity offered some restraint on the Dark Phoenix's power in the fight which allowed Xavier to win, true, but he was strong enough to fight Dark Phoenix on all the infinite planes of existence simultaneously and was able to put up those psychic breakers in her mind. Say what you will, but this puts him leagues above the Grey telepaths.

Yes. He was able to do all those amazing things. With Jean's help. He flat out says it. He doesn't say when she helped, he never says 'she helped at this particular time' he says he felt her fighting Dark Phoenix, helping him. Not offering "some" restraint but fighting her. Don't play. I'm not getting into this with you because I know how you are and how you twist things to take shine from other characters so I'm just going to leave this right where it's at. But I see you.

Now go on ahead and write some long winded reply to try and discredit what the scan shows, I promise you I won't be reading it.

[Wiccan]

Thanks for providing these scans since I did not read the issue. Xavier clearly did not catch Jeen and the rest of the O5 by surprise with his mindwipe. He told them beforehand what he was going to do and Jean even had time to reply.

Xavier: "Come tomorrow, you'll have moved on and I won't even be a distant memory." <----So, Xavier was letting them know he was about to mindwipe them.

Jean: "So, that's it?...etc.etc.etc."

And as always you just love twisting things lol. Of course they were taken by surprise. If the O5 had gotten from that quote that Xavier was about to mindwipe them, do you really think they would all be just standing there, doing nothing? "Oh, you're gonna mess with my mind? Ok, go ahead". Rosenberg himself said Jean's guard was down.

[DDM]

Except we saw Exodus definitively beat Rachel who was backed by 2 teams of veteran X-Men and who was drained by Rogue.

That doesn’t mean Rachel’s not more powerful than Emma though.

Interesting, and Rachel was going to hurt herself by sifting through the minds of Earth's population which is less than that.

You have that backwards, Emma is struggling here with a localizaed 8 billion, Rachel didn’t have issue doing 7.5 billion on a global scale.

[ExodusCloak]

That doesn’t mean Rachel’s not more powerful than Emma though.


You have that backwards, Emma is struggling here with a localizaed 8 billion, Rachel didn’t have issue doing 7.5 billion on a global scale.

There's no evidence in canon to state that Rachel is more powerful then Emma. Canon would allude to the opposite. But an extrapolation of Emma being better then Rachel can be made from the Exodus fight.

No, the 8 billion minds have been suffering eternal damnation for decades. Did you even read the scan? She's not "struggling" they're screaming in anguish when she scans them because they're living dead

[Grey]

What’s funny is I keep up with college football message boards and the arguments over who is the better team are talked about just like threads like this.

1.“Team a has this player, who has this feat and better stats than teams b and c, so team a is better”
2. “Team a beat team b, and team b beat team c, therefore team a is better than team c” (only later team a gets crushed by team c)
3. “Team a has a better record than team b and c so team a is better” (yet team c simply doesn’t have the same teams on their schedule so they don’t get to show off their skills or ‘feats’ if you will).
4. “Team a beat team b so team a is better.” (Yet they rematch later and team b destroys team a because they have a psychological edge )

Point is it’s like Rosenberg said. So many things can affect a given winner. It’s hard to say with confidence who’s quantitatively best, unless you eliminate all variables and have everyone somehow face everyone individually in a vacuum with no extenuating circumstances,

But I digress. I know it’s fun to debate these things

[ExodusCloak]

The hecatomb is 8 billion tortured minds

[DDM]

1) In this scan, Emma knocks Rachel flat on her butt, takes her weapons from her, and deconstructs her armor. Notice how she stands there with Rachel's swords talking to her rather than going in for the kill: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/uGjEOUbui4...3vcU6BDt=s1600

So, after Emma gives Rachel this respite so graciously, she allows Rachel to recover and come at her again on the very next page:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/gdhk9kam2_...FvnkwE9V=s1600

Also, Rachel was serious in the scans above. She wanted to take Emma down while all Emma wanted to do was talk some sense into her.

2) Stop making stuff up. First off, Xavier was stated to be the most powerful psi on the planet, putting him above Exodus. Secondly, it was not a sucker punch. Xavier knew Exodus would be expecting a mindblast from him, which Exodus affirmed. It was also clearly established that Xavier's only aim was to distract him so that Black Knight could chop him with his energy sword. Now, read the scans below.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/OuSNJ0ScIH...3LcjSz_0=s1600
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/KoimHnXdd5...Tu71WFga=s1600

3) Already dealt with this. It's Emma>>Exodus>>>>>Rachel.

As far as the rest of your points, already took of them too in our earlier posts. Not going to go over that again.

1) You didn’t answer my question. In which panel is Emma allowing Rachel to recover? Panels in your head don’t count.

Also Emma tried to take Rachel down twice and failed. In fact Rachel inverted both her attacks against her. It’s only when Rachel shot out with psychological warfare that Emma, finally the master of the subject, inverted that attack and made Rachel eeyore out.

2) Yes and this was after Exodus successfully dominated or fought off Quicksilver, Jean, Wanda, Crystal, War Machine, Cyclops, Storm, SERSEI, Gambit, Bishop, Black Knight, Captain America...

3) Emma’s never beaten Exodus though. She stalemated him a best, as she did Rachel in direct combat until resorting to daddy issues.