Who is the top Telepath? the best telepath there is in the X-books?

[MentalManipulator]

I voted Xavier but I would guess they are somewhat in this order:

1. Jean and Xavier
2. Shadow King and Cassandra Nova
3. Emma, Rachel and Psylocke
4. Legion and Exodus
5. Quentin Quire
6. Sinister

[rutog98]

But you are. If Jean is able to beat a psi, why is it automatically assumed its bc the other character is weakened? You know it could simply be bc Jean has grown as a psi and has gotten stronger. Just bc some characters were able to defeat her in the past, doesnt mean that should always be the case. You hate Jean and are gonna shout out PIS no matter what. You know thats true

When one psi beats another, I compare what the two psis have been able to accomplish individually along with the circumstances of the fight in order to decide whether or not PIS was at play. For instance, if Emma Frost were written beating a fully powered Shadow King in a straight up fight without anything boosting her powers, that story would have no credence to me because Emma doesn't have the feats to back up her winning under those conditions. I would make this claim eventhough Emma is one of my favorite characters. The same holds true for Jean. When Jeen, who is weaker than Jean, was written beating Emma, I looked back at the historical telepathic feats/power showings between Emma and Jean/Jeen, and saw a major problem with Jeen's victory. Emma has not only demonstrated much higher power levels and skill in the TP department over both incarnations of Jean, but she also has greater skill and experience than Jeen. Then, on top of it, we saw Emma easily defeat Baby Xavier who proved to be Jeen's telepathic superior everytime they crossed paths.

Finally, even after Jean pushed to the upper limits of her powers under the Kelly/Seagle run, and then got the added TP boost of having Betsy's telepathy added to her own, her showings were still weaker than Emma's. In other words, the White Queen is a more powerful telepath than Jean and Betsy combined. Not only that, but Emma has also displayed greater skill than any incarnation of Jean that doesn't have anything to do with the Phoenix Force. Plus, we also saw Emma able to counter Exodus in every encounter they had while Jean was humiliated like a novice everytime she crossed paths with him.

There is just too much canon that shows Emma to be a far superior telepathic psi to Jean to have her lose to Jean in a straight up fight.

That said, I can accept Ghost Jean knocking Emma for a loop given the circumstances of how that happened. Ghost Jean had the element of surprise when she ambushed Emma. However, even despite that surprise attack knocking Emma out, the unconscious White Queen proved to be a challenge for both Ghost Jean and Jeen at the same time as they could only hold her for a short while before Emma's psi would've them out of her head.

[Triniking1234]

How come En Sabah Nur wasn't considered for this list?

[rutog98]

How come En Sabah Nur wasn't considered for this list?

He had some telepathy in an early X-Factor story when the Original 5 X-Men served as the team composition of the book. That power has been abandoned as far as I know.

[Psy]

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Pretty much =). It's literally whomever the writer chooses and editors allow.

[Drey]

This is a hard question for me to answer, so I didn't vote. There are so many variables. I've also wrote like 2 posts and retracted them all because I'd write something and then notice that I could see a counter argument as well that made sense. In regards to experience amongst the X-men:

Charles would reign supreme. He is older (well, maybe not anymore lol) and has had more time to expand and hone his abilities. He used them in the miliary when out on missions, he used them to help piece together minds such as young Jean and Gabrielle Haller. I wonder how Charles got to be so skilled in the ways of the mind. You have to practice to gain that level of skill. Who did he practice on? Unsuspecting humans? I wouldn't doubt it honestly because older depictions of Charles had a less likable personality.

Emma is next up. She is older than Jean and used her abilities to survive and gain wealth and power. She reveled in her power and had less morals, so she became quite the skillful telepath, as shown when she performed her "psychic surgeries" on the New Mutants' minds after their ordeal with The Beyonder. Emma has also shown that she is capable, like 05 Jean, of manipulating ambient psionic energy and redirecting it as an attack. This happened in early Generation X against the M twins masquerading as Monet. I've always liked that moment and thought Emma should've kept that in her arsenal. Emma also changed the brain engrams of mutants she found to hide them from Charles and Cerebro. Not to mention only she and Charles have been the only ones capable of building mechanical devices that work in tandem with their telepathy (Cerebro, Cerebra, Emma's mind-swap gun, the device used by Mastermind to plant illusions directly into Jean's mind, Emma's computer interface in her apartment that she controlled telepathically during the Phalanx Covenant)

Jean would be next in line for skill. Jean has been able to rewrite the personas of herself and others, as seen during Revolution. Even though she had Betsy's added telepathy, I still think Jean would be able to do this under her own power without external boosts of any kind. I feel you need finesse, not power in order to create a false persona over your own.

Then we have Psylocke, who is my favorite character, but I'm suppressing my bias. By the time Jean became Phoenix the first time, Psylocke was barely having psychic flashes and dreams (although she did get retconned twice into having more powerful abilities while she was younger by both CC and Humphries). After the death of Tom Lennox and tutelage under Victoria Bentley, she gained more understanding of her abilities. Sure, she learned quickly and expanded her abilities further after joining the team, but she hit a plateau when she started favoring physical combat. Only within the last 5 or 6 years has she been showing more skill (or at least the level of skill she used to show during the Outback days) in the use of her telepathy.

Then Rachel (sans Phoenix Force). All I can say is poor Rachel. She and Betsy usually get the short end of the stick when it comes to fluctuating powers and getting taken out easily just to push a story along.

As for raw power...hmmm...recently both Psylocke and X have been shown to sense the minds of everyone on the planet (damn Betsy you that strong now, girl?), but X implies that he could make Psylocke forget that he has come back to life, but chooses not to (Even if he did I'm sure Betsy would eventually remember, being as powerful as she is). For some reason, I feel that Rachel has done this as well in Wood's X-men a few years ago while floating high in the sky? Charles has also linked the minds of 8 billion people to Galactus, so I think that knocks everyone out of the running ALTHOUGH Jean and Rachel (both with the Phoenix Force) would probably be able to do the same stunt. So yeah, right now I'd say Charles is the most powerful, but not by a large margin. Emma and Jean (sans Phoenix Force) are too close in power, IMO for me to choose, then Betsy and Rachel (sans Phoenix Force), only slightly below them. If Jean and Rachel had the Phoenix Force, they would reign supreme.

As for the villains, I'm not gonna go there right now. I spent way much more time on this than I wanted lol.

As for characters' abilities growing, it's a given. Charles, Jean, Emma, Betsy, and Rachel have all grown since their beginnings.

[MyriVerse]

TBH, I think Rachel should have more practical experience than Betsy... and perhaps even Emma.

[Drey]

TBH, I think Rachel should have more practical experience than Betsy... and perhaps even Emma.

Why do you think this? There are factors where it could be possible, but I'd rather know your perspective first.

[Tazirai]

You can add Magneto to this list. If we go by Electromagnetics, that's all brainswaves are, and he did Shutdown the overall range and scope on Earth for a time.

[Tazirai]

TBH, I think Rachel should have more practical experience than Betsy... and perhaps even Emma.

People who follow Psylocke know she didn't start becoming a Telepath until she was around 27-29, she joined the X-men at 30. Back when real time was used.
Emma, Rachel, etc have had more time and experience with their abilities than Betsy had at the time. Psylocke had moments of Psychoblasting and great power feats, but she was more subtle in her use before the bimbofication.
Even when she blasted fools, she did it once, and then fell back on Illusions, Psychic bolts, and trickery.

Emma was the God Damn Queen of non subtle power usage.

Rachel grew up in an era where she ACTIVELY hunted down people above her weight class. She learned a thing or three.

Even after the "OMEGERZ Omegah nonsense" Psylocke is still Moderately powerful in Telepathy, and an ACE Mind Reader, surpassing others in that area.

Just because you're a Telepath doesn't mean you do EVERY SINGLE Telepathic feat well. People focus on different areas of their Powers.

[Drey]

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People who follow Psylocke know she didn't start becoming a Telepath until she was around 27-29, she joined the X-men at 30. Back when real time was used.
Emma, Rachel, etc have had more time and experience with their abilities than Betsy had at the time. Psylocke had moments of Psychoblasting and great power feats, but she was more subtle in her use before the bimbofication.
Even when she blasted fools, she did it once, and then fell back on Illusions, Psychic bolts, and trickery.

Emma was the God Damn Queen of non subtle power usage.

Rachel grew up in an era where she ACTIVELY hunted down people above her weight class. She learned a thing or three.

Even after the "OMEGERZ Omegah nonsense" Psylocke is still Moderately powerful in Telepathy, and an ACE Mind Reader, surpassing others in that area.

Just because you're a Telepath doesn't mean you do EVERY SINGLE Telepathic feat well. People focus on different areas of their Powers.

I guess there is no need for him/her to reply now lol. In a way, we could say that Rachel has the most experience of them all since she is a second generation mutant and has had her psychic abilities since birth, on top of still having some memories of her older, more experienced, Mother Askani self. Writers just tend to downplay her and then give her power boosts when she really shouldn't need it.

I do agree that telepaths excel in different areas. Rachel does indeed hold the title when it comes to psychic tracking.

[darkalamator]

Here Rogue mentions Emma to Exodus as the most powerful tp on Earth



not that he answers to that being a top tp himself

And here Professor X mentions Emma as omega telepath



And here Jean Grey says she is a "force of Nature"



Amd this is all coming from fellow omega telepaths...

[Tazirai]

Here Rogue mentions Emma to Exodus as the most powerful tp on Earth



not that he answers to that being a top tp himself

And here Professor X mentions Emma as omega telepath



And here Jean Grey says she is a "force of Nature"



Amd this is all coming from fellow omega telepaths...

That title only matters to the current writer to prove how powerful X character is.

As a Psylocke fan, I remember in Uncanny X-force, somebody mentioned Psylocke as the third most powerful.

In another Book, somebody mentioned Quentin as the 4th most powerful.

Professor X is the most powerful,
yada yada yada.

Power levels only matter when a story demands it.

I don't mind Psylocke not being the most powerful whatever. Fanboys that say she can't be stopped because omegahz X,Y,Z blah blah blah.

I've seen every single person mentioned here get chumped by a variety of people. It's like in D&D Elminster once said. "The Mage that usually wins is the one who sees the other first!"

I'd say this applies to Telepaths also.

[nandes]

There's only one true TOP telepath and that's Madelyne Pryor, hun



(Lord these issues of Fraction's Uncanny X-Men drawn by Land really looked like some weird softcore porn comics)

[Tazirai]

There's only one true TOP telepath and that's Madelyne Pryor, hun



(Lord these issues of Fraction's Uncanny X-Men drawn by Land really looked like some weird softcore porn comics)

As a person who draws softcore porn comics, I agree lol.