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ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!
But I’m not denying anything. Look at your own pages, Emma was overconfident and boastful and looked foolish when none of her direct attacks worked. She couldn’t outmuscle Rachel, she couldn’t even land a solid hit after her initial suckerpunch, everything was countered, so she had to move to a different approach. Rachel matched Emma in literally every way EXCEPT in emotional cheap shots.
Exodus is incredibly powerful, he took on multiple X-Men and Avengers and Jean AND Xavier simultaneously. He’s also portrayed incredibly inconsistently though, such as when Emma was able to take his full concentration, which is I believe the only time we’ve seen that happen with Exodus. And even then she couldn’t defeat him psychically, Dust had to do it physically.
That was parody on my part. I wanted to show you how ridiculous you sound.
As far as when Rachel said it’s not a “game” and they should do this “for real”, Emma replied “can’t it be both?”. That implies she was already fighting hard and not holding back.
If Emma had “gone for the kill” as you say Rachel would’ve countered it. Like she countered all her other direct attacks. It’s probably time for you to pull an Emma here and switch tactics, you’re getting countered pretty hard yourself.
You’ve debunked nothing and your Selene scan is irrelevant. Rachel’s limitless potential was confirmed AFTER she already seperated from the Phoenix in the 2000s and again recently in Gold. Likewise Jean’s Omega status was confirmed in the 90s when she was entirely separated from the Phoenix and it was already considered an external cosmic entity. Anyone with even a basic grasp of continuity can see your little theory here is too full of holes to take seriously.
And the fact you’re floating this “made up” theory isn’t lost on me. It’s nowhere in any comic and so by your own previous debate standard last page, it’s not canon. It’s just made up.
ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!
no not happy but I think powerwise jean is over hyped. many of her big feats occurred when she had Phoenix. so some fans being outraged that a character who has always been described as the world most powerful telepath mind wiping her just seems really silly considering she doesnt have Phoenix anymore. has nothing to do with gender beloved.
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1) Emma totally held back. When she stripped Rachel of her psi-weapons, knocked her to the ground, and deconstructed her armor, she could have gone for the kill right there, but instead, she elected to allow Rachel to recover and come at her again. Emma's goal in this encounter was not to destroy Rachel, however, Rachel's aim was to annihilate Emma. The White Queen was only seeking to make a point. That's all, and she was entirely successful in this endeavor despite Rachel going all out.
2) Exodus NEVER took on multiple X-Men and Avengers alongside Xavier in Bloodties. All Xavier did to him in that story was distract him with a mindblast so that Black Knight could chop him down with his energy sword...and it worked. Bloodties clearly stated in plain English that Xavier was a more powerful psi than Exodus, so stop making stuff up that didn't happen.
3) The issue didn't say that Emma could not defeat Exodus. Dust intervened before that contest could be settled. That said, in a future story, Emma, who was sitting on a couch on the opposite end of the world, was able to block the combined psi-power of Exodus and Sinister. So, it's really Emma>>Exodus>>>>>Rachel.
4) When the Phoenix Force was established as being separate from the Grey telepaths, it was likened to Excalibur. In other words, it was destined for those telepaths to wield it just like it was for King Arthur to wield the sword, Excalibur. Okay? So, again, Rachel's full potential was to be able to serve as host to the Phoenix Force. I have already explained this at length in my other posts and I will not repost that information again.
5) I think that some writers are still holding onto the whole unlimited power thing with Jean and Rachel for nostalgic puposes, really. However, Jean's conversation with the Phoenix Force settles the arguement, eventhough it is a conclusion you don't like.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qyBeYc08A...600/RCO026.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UDz88yMgH...600/RCO027.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VK1Crs15K...600/RCO028.jpg
This blows a big hole in your whole agument. Read the conversation.
The Selene vs. Phoenix Rachel fight has Selene identifying the whole Phoenix powers as Rachel's full potential. This is the way it was for Jean as well. It was a bloodline inheritance. However, later, they removed it from being an internal aspect of the characters to an external entity they were destined to host. In other words, they don't have that power level on their own as clearly shown in the discussion with Jean and the Phoenix Force in the scans above. Come on, man, accept the facts. I'm through going over this with you now. If you want to continue this discussion, maybe somebody else can try and explain to you another way.
Last edited by rutog98; 08-20-2018 at 02:48 PM.
Yeah, Butterflykyss is so prejudiced against women that Storm is his favorite character...
People really should stop trying to throw around these kinds of comments you are accusing him of so freely. There are true misogynists out there, but when the label is misapplied, it loses its oomph.
Completely forgot about Wells Emma
Blocked Lady Mastermind too she was there and could only use her powers when Pixie distracted Emma3) The issue didn't say that Emma could not defeat Exodus. Dust intervened before that contest could be settled. That said, in a future story, Emma, who was sitting on a couch on the opposite end of the world, was able to block the combined psi-power of Exodus and Sinister. So, it's really Emma>>Exodus>>>>>Rachel.
Another reader -- "Magneto," no less -- was rubbed the wrong way by a current event as well, and is seeking some clarification. "Exodus seemed so weak in 'Uncanny' #205. Nightcrawler got rid of him easy. Shouldn't someone as powerful as Exodus be more of a challenge?"
Carey: It was meant to be a take-out play, removing him from the battle before he had a chance to bring his powers to bear. Yeah, you're right. Exodus is one of the mutants Sinister had in mind when he said that some of his team could take out the X-Men single-handed. But remember that Kurt is psi-shielded by Emma, so Exodus's first instinct -- to fry his brains inside his skull -- wouldn't work. By the time he starts to go for Plan B, he's miles away."
Last edited by ExodusCloak; 08-20-2018 at 03:09 PM.
We’re back to numbers? Okay.
1) Emma allowed Rachel to recover? Can you PLEASE talk about these pages with without making stuff up entirely? Which panel exactly did that happen in, lol?
Also as I told you before, Rachel wasn’t trying to annihilate Emma. No one was trying to actually kill another X-Man here.
2) Xavier suckerpunched Exodus with a high power psi-blast and all he did was briefly stagger him. And this was after he’d had multiple fights, including one with an Eternal, had just shrugged off multiple X-Men and Avengers just panels before, including your beloved Storm like she was nothing, and at this point was confirmed fatigued on panel. This wasn’t exactly the same weakened Exodus Emma lucked out with.
3) Actually it did, Exodus told Emma as much and she acknowledged that. Then Dust (not Emma) won the fight.
Sinister’s another character who’s been displayed incredibly inconsistently. From taking on a ton of X-Men simultaneously and them being practically helpless against him to getting his ass handed to him by X-23 chopping off his hands. It’s baffling.
4) Except Rachel’s unlimited potential was after she’d entirely separated from the Phoenix and referred to just her natural telekinesis and telepathy. You’ve “explained” something that not in any actual comic.
The Greys having an aptitude for being Phoenix avatars is irrelevant. It’s not been exclusive to them in over 3 decades now.
5) You can think what you like, that doesn’t mean it’s canon. And your Phoenix scans don’t prove your point in the least, did you post the wrong pages?
And again, the Selene pages are irrelevant. Rachel wasn’t Phoenix in Reload or Gold and that’s where her unlimited potential was referenced. Her limits are only defined by her imagination, like her mom and brothers.