View Poll Results: Who is the best Telepath?

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  • Jean

    138 42.46%
  • Xavier

    84 25.85%
  • Emma

    43 13.23%
  • Rachel

    11 3.38%
  • Psylocke

    20 6.15%
  • Sinister

    1 0.31%
  • Exodus

    2 0.62%
  • Cassandra Nova

    4 1.23%
  • Quentin Quire

    4 1.23%
  • Legion

    7 2.15%
  • Shadow King

    6 1.85%
  • Other

    5 1.54%
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    It is surprising that Xavier is going behind Jean. These polls are usually popularity contest and not many people seem to stan him, at least not on a level compared to Emma, Betsy or Rachel.
    My opinions are my own

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenixzero23 View Post
    It is surprising that Xavier is going behind Jean. These polls are usually popularity contest and not many people seem to stan him, at least not on a level compared to Emma, Betsy or Rachel.
    Not everyone on here is biased. Plenty people are objective and vote accordingly

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    Some Jean telepathy feats:

    As a child, pre X-Men, her mind is used to calibrate Cerebro

    As a child, pre X-Men, able to Astral project and contact Scott Summers in Sinister's orphanage. Xavier could not detect Scott on his own and could only "see" him through Jean's perceptions

    Without active telepathy, she's able to sense that Vanisher is a mutant

    Jean's burgeoning empathic/telepathic abilities are strong enough to start eroding Xavier's mental blocks. This marks the start of her telepathic training.

    Able to hurt Juggernaut through his helmet

    Able to telepathically communicate with Hank from 3,000 miles away while also connected to two of the other X-Men

    Picked up thoughts of the last people in a room

    Without active telepathy, she's able to serve as a psi boost for Psylocke to pierce the psionic haze during Inferno and allow the two teams to share info

    Similarly, without TP, she uses her skill to commandeer Legion's telepathic persona to merge info between the teams of X-Factor, New Warriors and the Muir Island mutants

    Transfer her full consciousness into Emma's body without needing artificial or mechanical means

    During Bloodties, on Genosha, while held "captive" by Exodus, she was in fact constantly probing his defenses telepathically and streaming that info to Xavier

    During X-Cutioner's Song, when Jean and Cyclops were sucked out onto the vacuum of the Moon's surface, she projected a faint signal to Wolverine...that's over 200,000 miles away

    Soon after her telepathy is inadvertently restored by Psynapse, she's able to telepathically cloak a team of X-Men from the Shadow King (and took Psylocke out also)

    Despite his desperate efforts, Jean is able to keep Onslaught out of her mind while he tries to learn how she taps into the Phoenix Force...she resisted him hard enough to affect his cohesion with Xavier

    After Xavier, Jean was the only telepath he felt could challenge him

    Psionically sever the connection between Binary and alien inciters

    After OZT, she telepathically scanned the globe

    Psychometrically filtered out, coalesced and eliminated the remnant hate left by Bastion all over the Mansion

    Removed Apocalypse's essence from Cyclops

    Administered psychic time compressed danger room sessions to the novice crew she collected during Eve of Destruction

    Re-wrote Frenzy's personality to use her for the Genosha mission against Magneto

    Projected the illusion of Magneto killing Dazzler into his mind, even through his psi-proof helmet

    Detected Emma under a huge pile of debris after the attack on Genosha, even when she was in her psi-proof diamond form

    Created a time compressed construct in Storm's mind from half a world away so they could have a full day's worth of hanging out in a matter of moments (also telekinetically braided her hair from half a world away too)

    Helped Scott create a psychic black box in his mind strong enough to contain the void

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturius View Post
    I actually don't have a problem with the idea that she is near him in strength or skill, and the idea that she at the most might be his equal, wouldn't be a huge stretch in my eyes either. Remember, even from her earliest appearances, she was stated to be on par with him and created to be a darker mirror image of him. I just draw the line at saying she is stronger. I have seen no evidence of that.
    I tend to think that Emma would be more skillful, in that she's got more experience at the less ethical uses of telepathy, while Xavier has (usually) held himself to higher standards (even when he did bend his own rules, he didn't do it *daily,* like Emma did, as part of the Hellfire Club). That's been my fanwank for why she could telepathically block Cyclop's access to his optic blasts in Astonishing X-Men, a feat that neither Jean nor Xavier ever seemed able to do. Jean had the power to do something like that, but not the skill at screwing with someone's deep mind (or willingness to do so) that Emma had. Xavier also had the power, and perhaps the skill and cold-bloodedness, but just flat-out lacked the intimate connection to Scott that Emma and Jean would have.

    The only other advantage over Jean that Emma might have, even if Jean is the stronger by far, other than skillfulness and a willingness to 'go places' and master sketchy techniques with her telepathy that Jean doesn't usually share, would be that, for most of her career, she was *only* a telepath, focused entirely on this discipline (and even creating psi-technology, like the mind-swapping gizmo she used on Storm!), while Jean had to split her focus on mastering telekinesis as well. I feel like someone with only a single power is likely to put more focus on it than someone like, say, Exodus or Legion or the High Evolutionary, who has a smorgasboard of other stuff on their plate, clamoring for their limited attention.

    I'm always amused by these lists not including people like the Gamesmaster (one time the hot new thing and 'strongest telepath'), or Moondragon (I can mind control an entire planet, or pierce Galactus' mental shields), or the High Evolutionary (who would be very powerful, but likely not even close to the levels of specific telepathic skill of someone like Xavier, Jean or Emma).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sutekh View Post
    I tend to think that Emma would be more skillful, in that she's got more experience at the less ethical uses of telepathy, while Xavier has (usually) held himself to higher standards (even when he did bend his own rules, he didn't do it *daily,* like Emma did, as part of the Hellfire Club). That's been my fanwank for why she could telepathically block Cyclop's access to his optic blasts in Astonishing X-Men, a feat that neither Jean nor Xavier ever seemed able to do. Jean had the power to do something like that, but not the skill at screwing with someone's deep mind (or willingness to do so) that Emma had. Xavier also had the power, and perhaps the skill and cold-bloodedness, but just flat-out lacked the intimate connection to Scott that Emma and Jean would have.

    I'll agree with you on the second point. Jean hasnt had access to TP nowhere near as long as Emma. She had it shutdown by Xavier when she was 10 and only got it back when she was an adult. Maybe 20 or 21. She dies when she is 24 but when she comes back, she doesnt have it until the very end of the original X-Factor run. The 90s up through her death in New X-men is the only period where she's had it for any significant amount of time. Long touted as the most powerful mind on the planet after Xavier (and now has surpassed him), thats based on raw power and not so much skill bc she's lagged behind on experience. The caveat though is her 12 years in the future of Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix. Different body and power levels but we can assume she developed most of her skill and experience over that long period

    The only other advantage over Jean that Emma might have, even if Jean is the stronger by far, other than skillfulness and a willingness to 'go places' and master sketchy techniques with her telepathy that Jean doesn't usually share, would be that, for most of her career, she was *only* a telepath, focused entirely on this discipline (and even creating psi-technology, like the mind-swapping gizmo she used on Storm!), while Jean had to split her focus on mastering telekinesis as well. I feel like someone with only a single power is likely to put more focus on it than someone like, say, Exodus or Legion or the High Evolutionary, who has a smorgasboard of other stuff on their plate, clamoring for their limited attention.

    I'm always amused by these lists not including people like the Gamesmaster (one time the hot new thing and 'strongest telepath'), or Moondragon (I can mind control an entire planet, or pierce Galactus' mental shields), or the High Evolutionary (who would be very powerful, but likely not even close to the levels of specific telepathic skill of someone like Xavier, Jean or Emma).
    There's no reason to believe Jean couldnt do the same for Scott. She pretty much did that for Nehnzo in X-men Red. Besides did Emma really do that? She was being possessed by Nova in that arc to tear down the X-men and what she did was left Scott mess whom couldnt access his powers before moving onto the rest of the team. It didnt even last

    As for the last point, I think its bc these lists tend to be about X-men characters or rather mutants. Hence why Moondragon doesnt enter the conversation. Gamemaster could but he's a long forgotten villian and one of the few that actually went face to face with Jean and definitively lost. He isolated her from the team back in the annual from the 90s bc his powers wouldnt work on her and she'd be the only actual threat. Once she was "awake" in the astral plane, she managed to free herself and defeat him
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    Teen Jean also removed Laura scent trigger

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    Quote Originally Posted by spirit2011 View Post
    Teen Jean also removed Laura scent trigger
    Which was 1000% complete horse crap.

    Jeen has virtually zero psychic experience. Laura was conditioned with the Trigger Scent for over a decade with the expressed purpose of it never be reversible. It would be like Jeen removing Rachel's hound conditioning.

    Honestly, the Jeen wanking by the writers was kind of ridiculous. Jeen's feats would put her in the same tier of power as Infinity or Eternity. I know they wanted to generate hype for the character but that's more than a little extreme.
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    *Thought I posted this earlier*

    Emma is not more skilled than Jean just because Jean is also more powerful...it's not an either/or thing. They only thing with Emma is she's more ruthless at the onset (Jean gets there when her temper is triggered)

    Jean being a dual psi doesn't diminish her capabilities as a telepath

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoEFrost View Post
    Which was 1000% complete horse crap.

    Jeen has virtually zero psychic experience. Laura was conditioned with the Trigger Scent for over a decade with the expressed purpose of it never be reversible. It would be like Jeen removing Rachel's hound conditioning.

    Honestly, the Jeen wanking by the writers was kind of ridiculous. Jeen's feats would put her in the same tier of power as Infinity or Eternity. I know they wanted to generate hype for the character but that's more than a little extreme.
    You're just mad cause Emma couldn't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiccan View Post
    You're just mad cause Emma couldn't do it.
    I'm mad because it throws power scaling out the window. Jeen being more powerful than Galactus means that she's more powerful than every X-hero and villain combined. Why was she running from the Phoenix when she could fight her on even terms? Why were they running from Ahab when Jeen could easily beat Ahab and every one of his dudes without coming close to breaking a sweat. Why didn't she just nope Charles Jr and Raze?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega_DCD View Post
    *Thought I posted this earlier*

    Emma is not more skilled than Jean just because Jean is also more powerful...it's not an either/or thing. They only thing with Emma is she's more ruthless at the onset (Jean gets there when her temper is triggered)

    Jean being a dual psi doesn't diminish her capabilities as a telepath
    Emma is more skilled because her lack of raw power meant she had to work harder to refine her technique. The skill edge doesn't trump Jean's raw power, making Jean stronger in a straight up fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoEFrost View Post
    Which was 1000% complete horse crap.

    Jeen has virtually zero psychic experience. Laura was conditioned with the Trigger Scent for over a decade with the expressed purpose of it never be reversible. It would be like Jeen removing Rachel's hound conditioning.

    Honestly, the Jeen wanking by the writers was kind of ridiculous. Jeen's feats would put her in the same tier of power as Infinity or Eternity. I know they wanted to generate hype for the character but that's more than a little extreme.
    She is suppossed to be Jean without any mental block, she was often more competent than adult Jean

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    Quote Originally Posted by spirit2011 View Post
    She is suppossed to be Jean without any mental block, she was often more competent than adult Jean
    But being on the same tier of power as Eternity and Infinity? More powerful than Odin or Surtur? Even as a Jean fan you have to admit that's a little much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoEFrost View Post
    Which was 1000% complete horse crap.

    Jeen has virtually zero psychic experience. Laura was conditioned with the Trigger Scent for over a decade with the expressed purpose of it never be reversible. It would be like Jeen removing Rachel's hound conditioning.

    Honestly, the Jeen wanking by the writers was kind of ridiculous. Jeen's feats would put her in the same tier of power as Infinity or Eternity. I know they wanted to generate hype for the character but that's more than a little extreme.
    Your exaggerating... Where was Jeen depicted as being on the same tier as Infinity and or Eternity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoEFrost View Post
    Emma is more skilled because her lack of raw power meant she had to work harder to refine her technique. The skill edge doesn't trump Jean's raw power, making Jean stronger in a straight up fight.
    That's the either/or mentality

    Best example is the Psychic Rescue issue...both faced obstacles from Nova's booby traps, but Emma got stuck and Jean's skillfulness prevailed and she learned the connection between Xavier and Nova.

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