View Poll Results: Who is the best Telepath?

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  • Jean

    138 42.46%
  • Xavier

    84 25.85%
  • Emma

    43 13.23%
  • Rachel

    11 3.38%
  • Psylocke

    20 6.15%
  • Sinister

    1 0.31%
  • Exodus

    2 0.62%
  • Cassandra Nova

    4 1.23%
  • Quentin Quire

    4 1.23%
  • Legion

    7 2.15%
  • Shadow King

    6 1.85%
  • Other

    5 1.54%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega_DCD View Post
    She was caged and put on trial, she escaped and was running for her life. She was put through a crucible and that was the result, she tells Oracle exactly that. Incidentally, trying to escape is also the first time she was able to fly telekinetically
    But that's not the point. The point is she was able to do by herself what every one of teammates couldn't do combined. At that point she's at a level far beyond any of the X-Men, and every story turns into "How do we stop Jeen from ending the plot by herself". Especially since right afterwards, she's scared of fighting Raze and Charles Jr. despite both of them being significantly weaker than Oracle or Gladiator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoEFrost View Post
    Go back to the Trial of Jean Grey. The Imperial Guard was stomping the coalition of Star-Lord, Gamora, Angela, X-23, Tyke, Tangel, Tank, Tobby, Drax, Groot, Kitty, and Rocket. Drax being someone capable of fighting Hulk to a draw.

    Jeen then effortlessly takes out every single one of them by herself, despite them having an extremely powerful telepath in Oracle, with almost zero trouble.

    If you don't see what's wrong with that situation, I don't know what to tell you.
    This is NOT what happens...and why would she even be attacking the Guardians? They were helping to rescue her, she says she loves them.

    When she powers up, she attacks Gladiator, then his ship...this gives an opening and the X-Men and Guardians to attack the rest of the imperial guard. Oracle engages Jean telepathically and they talk about what and how Jean is doing what she's doing...Jean and Gladiator then charge at each other and both get temporarily knocked out. Gladiator hits the ground, Peter Quill flies up to catch Jean and lower her safely...Kitty rushes to check on her condition.

    Then Oracle telepathically shouts at both sides and stops the fight (similar to what Jean did when the X-Men and Hellions were fighting each other before the Sentinel attack)

    Your account of things didn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega_DCD View Post
    This is NOT what happens...and why would she even be attacking the Guardians? They were helping to rescue her, she says she loves them.

    When she powers up, she attacks Gladiator, then his ship...this gives an opening and the X-Men and Guardians to attack the rest of the imperial guard. Oracle engages Jean telepathically and they talk about what and how Jean is doing what she's doing...Jean and Gladiator then charge at each other and both get temporarily knocked out. Gladiator hits the ground, Peter Quill flies up to catch Jean and lower her safely...Kitty rushes to check on her condition.

    Then Oracle telepathically shouts at both sides and stops the fight (similar to what Jean did when the X-Men and Hellions were fighting each other before the Sentinel attack)

    Your account of things didn't happen.
    By every one of them, I meant the IG. She obviously wasn't attacking her teammates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoEFrost View Post
    By every one of them, I meant the IG. She obviously wasn't attacking her teammates.
    It's still wrong though...Jean is totally focused on Gladiator. She didn't "take out the Imperial guard by herself". Furthermore, it's Oracle who stops the fight...Rocket Racoon even quips that it's bad form to just psychically shut down a fight as it's just starting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega_DCD View Post
    It's still wrong though...Jean is totally focused on Gladiator. She didn't "take out the Imperial guard by herself". Furthermore, it's Oracle who stops the fight...Rocket Racoon even quips that it's bad form to just psychically shut down a fight as it's just starting.
    I might be misremembering, but didn't the shockwave from her first Pink Form attack knock the whole IG down? Plus she still floored Gladiator easily.

    You're missing the forest for the trees. Jeen became significantly more powerful than every X-Man combined during her time in the books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoEFrost View Post
    I might be misremembering, but didn't the shockwave from her first Pink Form attack knock the whole IG down? Plus she still floored Gladiator easily.

    You're missing the forest for the trees. Jeen became significantly more powerful than every X-Man combined during her time in the books.
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    Lots of people have knocked down Gladiator...Cannonball used his kinetic field to absorb Gladiator punch, and redirected it into a punch of his own.

    You're twisting things. And no, it didn't make Jean more powerful than the rest of the X-Men combined

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoEFrost View Post
    But that's not the point. The point is she was able to do by herself what every one of teammates couldn't do combined. At that point she's at a level far beyond any of the X-Men, and every story turns into "How do we stop Jeen from ending the plot by herself". Especially since right afterwards, she's scared of fighting Raze and Charles Jr. despite both of them being significantly weaker than Oracle or Gladiator.
    'Ya know... Storm doesn't get this kind of opposition

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shreene View Post
    'Ya know... Storm doesn't get this kind of opposition
    Storm isn't on the same level. Regardless of what some of her more "passionate" fans might think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoEFrost View Post
    Storm isn't on the same level. Regardless of what some of her more "passionate" fans might think.

    "I'll always love you, Jean Grey." "I'll always love you too, Scott Summers." - Scott Summers and Jean Grey

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    What was the context for Jeen reconstituting a body for herself?
    Does it need doing?
    Yes.
    Then it will be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hizashi View Post
    What was the context for Jeen reconstituting a body for herself?
    All the Poisons are linked to their queen. Jeen was a poison and her pink form allowes her to "leech" psy energy from everything. Jeen used her link to the hive and all poisons and had enough energy to make herself a new body
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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenixzero23 View Post
    All the Poisons are linked to their queen. Jeen was a poison and her pink form allowes her to "leech" psy energy from everything. Jeen used her link to the hive and all poisons and had enough energy to make herself a new body
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    basically, the more people they killed, the stronger Jean got.

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    Though remaking her body should count as a telekinetic feat not a telepathic one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenixzero23 View Post
    Though remaking her body should count as a telekinetic feat not a telepathic one.
    Its both. Her TP allowed her to connect to all those minds and use the psi-energy to boost her TK. Without her TP, she can not absorb psychic energy

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