Toriko vs. Jin Mo-Ri vs. Son Goku

[Jcogginsa]

The Combatants for this match are

Toriko, the Gourmet Hunter

Jin Mo-Ri, the Monkey King Reborn

Son Goku, the Super Sayian (Specifically, the Son Goku from the Namek Arc)

who wins?

[Guy1]

Huh. Not sure what got this closed earlier, but we are re-open for business!

[Nik Hasta]

I think, in a rare turn of events, Goku might actually a bit out of his depth at the time of Namek Saga.

Both Toriko and Mori have absolutely absurdly high physical stats. Like... Goku's best strength feat at this time was what... elbow checking Frieza through that island? That is literally kids stuff to Mori and Toriko. His only option is to try and blast them with energy attacks and... again, I'm not liking his chances given how both of his opponents have wildly more diverse options than he does.

Toriko, assuming series end, is like... either lightspeed or a ridiculous fraction of it even without speculating about his potential to manipulate the back channel. Mori was dodging real lightning multiple story arcs ago and does stuff like blitz dudes who run across countries in an instant.

To my mind this is Toriko vs Mori and I think I just about back the food hunter. The power curve took so many absurd jumps in the final sequence that I think Mori loses out.

EDIT: Having reread most of the final battle of Toriko, I definitely think he takes it. There is some wild stuff in Toriko as a series. Midora is quite ridiculous in terms of his ability copying, massive regeneration and sheer offensive power. Mori could maybe get some wins if he immediately goes Jaebongchim x250,000, that was him being on the level "accidentally the planet" but then he has the rebound to deal with if Toriko lives past his limit.

His absolute peak of power momentarily extinguished the Sun, which is pretty wild but that was Jaebongchim 250,000 + Borrowing power from Mori Hui (a skill he's never used again) and it was Kick of Imoogi + Blue Dragon Kick which is their respective strongest move. Toriko doesn't want to get hit by that but that's a big thing to pin your whole strategy on.

[Jcogginsa]

Note that Namek arc also means Goku's got access to Super Sayian if that makes a difference

[Nik Hasta]

Note that Namek arc also means Goku's got access to Super Sayian if that makes a difference

Given how fast and strong Toriko and Mori are at their respective peaks, I don't think it makes much of a difference. I can't think of a strength or speed feat that puts him in the range of Toriko. At Super Sayain he might be as fast as Mori was during the Ragnarok war - without him using Jaebongchim that is - which means he could... like... break his hands on Mori's absurd durability or get mobbed by clones or smashed up by Yeoui.

Seriously, one really significant strength feat - Uriel in GoH is capable of holding back an entire planet flying at her by herself temporarily with raw strength. She attempts to lift Yeoui and with some effort gets it above her head. It's then revealed that what she lifted was a clone staff, since Mori can just make those at will, and he tosses her the real Yeoui to try and hold it. She catches it and the weight is so much that it tears her arms off at the elbow.

Planetary level strength can't lift Yeoui and Mori swings that thing around with ease. He can manipulate its weight to make it easier but he regularly has shown that he just carries an absurdly heavy weapon around all the time. Goku does not want to get hit by him.

Yeoui has also been used to smash multiple planets out of the solar system.

[Morning]

Note that Namek arc also means Goku's got access to Super Sayian if that makes a difference

I dont think it does. He still gets blitzed and eaten by toriko. I don't know about the other guy.

[Cody]

Like... Goku's best strength feat at this time was what... elbow checking Frieza through that island?

As an SSJ? He was manhandling Frieza when Frieza was only stung by a KKx20. Then Frieza powered up from there and Goku could still do more damage with his physical attacks than something like a KKx20. So his striking ability is up there where he maims guys who laugh off planet busting+ attacks.

Toriko, assuming series end, is like... either lightspeed or a ridiculous fraction of it even without speculating about his potential to manipulate the back channel. Mori was dodging real lightning multiple story arcs ago and does stuff like blitz dudes who run across countries in an instant.[/QUOTE]

Well Kid Goku was mentioned as having to move faster than lightning in order to compete with Popos training. Most of the speed is scaling from whenever a character moves so fast that they blitz the other. At max maybe a fraction of light by the time of Namek with SSJ? If the other two are near light then that would give them enough of the edge to blitz. But can they do so before Goku unleashes an aoe? Can they take KKx20 Kamehameha level attacks and above?

I've read from other threads that Toriko characters typically dish out more than they can tank, is that true?

[Nik Hasta]

As an SSJ? He was manhandling Frieza when Frieza was only stung by a KKx20. Then Frieza powered up from there and Goku could still do more damage with his physical attacks than something like a KKx20. So his striking ability is up there where he maims guys who laugh off planet busting+ attacks.

Oh boy, time to get into how I think the ridiculous compartmentalised durability feats of DBZ are silly and inconsistent for the most part.

For a start; no one at the time of the Namek Saga had "laughed off," a planet busting attack, implied or explicitly shown. Quite apart from the legitimacy of those feats, no one had done the thing you're saying unless I missing something huge.

Second, Goku's strength feats - in terms of things he's actually done like busting things up and whatnot - are so laughably below Toriko that I don't think Goku could actually physically hurt him if he punched him hence why I think the only thing Goku has going for him in this fight is his energy game.

What strength feats does Goku have that suggest he could rock with Mori, let alone Toriko?

Well Kid Goku was mentioned as having to move faster than lightning in order to compete with Popos training. Most of the speed is scaling from whenever a character moves so fast that they blitz the other. At max maybe a fraction of light by the time of Namek with SSJ? If the other two are near light then that would give them enough of the edge to blitz. But can they do so before Goku unleashes an aoe? Can they take KKx20 Kamehameha level attacks and above?

I would argue that they are more than fast enough to blitz him and have offensive power absurdly beyond what Goku has been shown to deal with at this point in his development.

Even without their normal gross offensive power, they could both just gimmick him; Mori just pressure points Goku and his blood explodes out of him or Toriko hits him with Mugen Kugi punch and he's just being punched by Class 100 energy shockwaves until he explodes and there's nothing much he can do about it.

Or Mori Yeoui's him in the phase, in which case he is super dead. Or Toriko cuts him half with a Jet Knife and he is likewise hecka dead.

I've read from other threads that Toriko characters typically dish out more than they can tank, is that true?

That's... kind of true... ish? Only in that they hit ridiculously hard, doing things like accidentally a gas giant planet and such. They have eaten attacks that would have destroyed an earth size planet and above with minimal damage and Toriko and others have regeneration to offset most damage taken.

[Cody]

Oh boy, time to get into how I think the ridiculous compartmentalised durability feats of DBZ are silly and inconsistent for the most part.

It's been a thing now for years that they can tank as much as they can dish out -regardless of physical or ki-, even prior to wipe that they can tank what they can dish out. There isn't anything "inconsistent" about their showings, something Hazard, abmccray, and I have went in depth about several times across soo many threads that, I'm sorry, but is starting to get a little aggravating when someone who has been here for years(and thus saw those posts but never once said anything about it then), says otherwise, and then we have to restart the whole thing again. I mean, maybe I am misunderstanding something here and you aren't saying they can tank ki better than they can tank their physical attacks, but I am guessing that isn't the case.

For a start; no one at the time of the Namek Saga had "laughed off," a planet busting attack, implied or explicitly shown. Quite apart from the legitimacy of those feats, no one had done the thing you're saying unless I missing something huge.

You are actually. Goku over powered Vegeta attempt to blow up the planet with a Kamehameha. All that did was piss Vegeta off despite it over powering his attack. Then there was Piccolo stating Vegeta was going to bust Namek with his attack(and at that point he was much stronger than first form Frieza himself)that he sent out at Frieza, to which the guy booted it into space with no difficulty.

We know that a blood lusted final form Friezas death beam did f all on a SSJ Goku, where else the guy casually busted a planet in his first form.

Second, Goku's strength feats - in terms of things he's actually done like busting things up and whatnot - are so laughably below Toriko that I don't think Goku could actually physically hurt him if he punched him hence why I think the only thing Goku has going for him in this fight is his energy game.

What strength feats does Goku have that suggest he could rock with Mori, let alone Toriko?

I've already stated why. He was maiming the likes of Frieza, who we know is a freak of nature. Him and the rest of his army are mutants who are naturally inclined in energy output, but Frieza doesn't know how to control it until much later. Frieza is a guy who, despite having no energy, having half his face blown off, and sliced into several pieces, flat out ignored Namek blowing up while he was at ground zero. Gokus attacks would need to be beyond that, and the type of thing the Death Star could do in order to even harm him. Again, this is the same guy who was only slightly stung by a KKx20 Kamehameha. Are you honestly saying Gokus most powerful attack at that point would be below first form Friezas casual planet busting attack that he used to off planet Vegeta? And if so, based on what? Are you really going to argue that SSJ Goku somehow can't dish out as much energy as first form Frieza, yet still able to beat final form Frieza?

I would argue that they are more than fast enough to blitz him and have offensive power absurdly beyond what Goku has been shown to deal with at this point in his development.

Can they dish out the same amount of output as First form Frieza could casually when he casually blew up planet Vegeta? What about those who are several orders of magnitude above that(final form Frieza and Goku)?

Even without their normal gross offensive power, they could both just gimmick him; Mori just pressure points Goku and his blood explodes out of him or Toriko hits him with Mugen Kugi punch and he's just being punched by Class 100 energy shockwaves until he explodes and there's nothing much he can do about it.

Whats the toughest thing this worked on?

Or Mori Yeoui's him in the phase, in which case he is super dead. Or Toriko cuts him half with a Jet Knife and he is likewise hecka dead.

Personally, I think from what you've said puts them on the same speed as SSJ Goku, and that's if we go by scaling from whenever a character appears invisible to another in DB, which would involve scaling. Obviously you probably will take issues with that because you're arguing against this character winning, and I really don't have the time to get into that anytime soon, so lets assume they can do this in a blitz for arguments sake, this way we don't need to get into a speed debate.

So "hypothetically" speaking, if they were roughly the same speed, then how would the fight go down, since Goku can use his gimmicks(destructo disc, solar flare, etc) himself?

That's... kind of true... ish? Only in that they hit ridiculously hard, doing things like accidentally a gas giant planet and such. They have eaten attacks that would have destroyed an earth size planet and above with minimal damage and Toriko and others have regeneration to offset most damage taken.

So they probably can't shrug off, or tank anything Goku can dish out.