Hawkman #2 (Spoilers)

[Mar-Vell]

This issue had me asking one question after I was done reading it. Why the hell does Hawkman need wings?!? Khufu is flying around like Superman with the same Nth metal harness that Carter wears. If that’s the case, aren’t his wings pointless?

Because he's called Hawkman, and he looks spectacular with wings.

Also, he can use the wings as weapons if need be.

Good enough for me.

[scary harpy]

There's promise here, but it's not yet realized. I'll give it a few issues.

What are you looking for?

[DrNewGod]

What are you looking for?

It's less a matter of specific expectations than not yet feeling deeply vested. One thing I would like is to see Venditti build some consistent supporting characters and situations into the story. Some of the characters introduced so far might be building toward that, but I can't see clear signs of it yet. Like I said, I'll hang around and see.

This issue had me asking one question after I was done reading it. Why the hell does Hawkman need wings?!? Khufu is flying around like Superman with the same Nth metal harness that Carter wears. If that’s the case, aren’t his wings pointless?

IMO, the pencils didn't clearly establish a sense of speed to Khufu's movements, so it could have been just low gravity leaps and glides. At the same time, the pencils didn't demonstrate that Hawkman's wings provided any maneuverability or propulsive advantage over Khufu either.

[caj]

I just keep waiting for Katar Hol.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I just keep waiting for Katar Hol.

He is Katar Hol, just as he's Carter Hall and Khufu and Silent Knight and Nighthawk and Bird-Man and many, many more.

They're all the same character now. I'm sure the more Thanagarian-centric stuff will be coming soon enough.

[scary harpy]

He is Katar Hol, just as he's Carter Hall and Khufu and Silent Knight and Nighthawk and Bird-Man and many, many more.

“Birrrrdman!”

They're all the same character now. I'm sure the more Thanagarian-centric stuff will be coming soon enough.

yeah, I think there's room for everything.

[caj]

He is Katar Hol, just as he's Carter Hall and Khufu and Silent Knight and Nighthawk and Bird-Man and many, many more.

They're all the same character now. I'm sure the more Thanagarian-centric stuff will be coming soon enough.

Yeah, I get that. But I wanted a separate Katar Hol. I want Carter to be in the JSA and Katar to be in the JLA just like pre-Crisis.

[DrNewGod]

Yeah, I get that. But I wanted a separate Katar Hol. I want Carter to be in the JSA and Katar to be in the JLA just like pre-Crisis.

Yeaaaahhhh, that's not gonna work. The coincidence of two characters that similar worked fine as long as they had a multiverse's worth of possibilities in the consideration set. Parking them right next to each other pushes it too hard.

[Godlike13]

Hawkman can not afford a split fan base. I actually really like this explanation, DC just needs to stick to it. They can’t keep flip flopping who Hawkman is like they did with the New 52.

[Kuwagaton]

He is Katar Hol, just as he's Carter Hall and Khufu and Silent Knight and Nighthawk and Bird-Man and many, many more.

They're all the same character now. I'm sure the more Thanagarian-centric stuff will be coming soon enough.

He goes on and on about himself and his history, along with general other exploration related things. So yeah, historically he is Katar Hol. But then personality wise he kind of just seems like a tour guide for the plot more than the specific other takes on his character. I'd say Hawkman is a book about Hawkman's biggest fan: Hawkman.

If that sounds down on the book, it's because I am. Despite some cool stuff like bombastic, widescreen action. As someone who eagerly awaited this book it's really disappointing to be done with it so soon, but I'm glad that it gets such positive feedback elsewhere. If you all think it's pretty good, it makes me happy for people to buy it.

[caj]

He goes on and on about himself and his history, along with general other exploration related things. So yeah, historically he is Katar Hol. But then personality wise he kind of just seems like a tour guide for the plot more than the specific other takes on his character. I'd say Hawkman is a book about Hawkman's biggest fan: Hawkman.

Agree. I just want the Katar and Shiera Hol from Thanagar that I grew up with without all the baggage of Khufu and all the reincarnation dribble.

[DrNewGod]

Agree. I just want the Katar and Shiera Hol from Thanagar that I grew up with without all the baggage of Khufu and all the reincarnation dribble.

...aaaaaand that's DC's problem in a nutshell. They cooked up so many versions of their characters, chasing the newest trends, they've fragmented their fanbase. I share your preference (although I"m not hostile to the original), but I can see others wanting "the Hawkman that I grew up with..." which might mean "Hawkworld", or JSA "Return of Hawkman", there may even be some that want (and I would not get why), the post-Zero Hour combined dude.

I'm willing to try this version for a while and see if it's worth sticking with on its own merits. I also take comfort in the idea that Hawk-fans don't have nearly the factionalization that Green Lantern fans deal with.

[Godlike13]

We just had Katar. It was rough, and he came with his own Thanagar baggage and "dribble". And boy was there dribble.

If i didn't think that Hawkman can't afford a split fan base right now, id say why not start a new Hawkman in the reincarnation cycle. The did it with Hawkgirl. The interesting thing is that it'd still be Carter in a sense, so you'd have that going for it, but at the same time it'd a fresh start for a new generation to jump on.

[scary harpy]

I prefer Carter. I think the golden-age Hawkman is more relatable and wish his foes to be revisited.

We now have the best of all words: Earth, Thanagar, Krypton, Rann and etcetera. Your Hawkman, my Hawkman, Nighthawk, Silent Knight, Hawks-we-have-never-heard-of and etcetera.


This is really for the best.

[MajorHoy]

. . . We now have the best of all words: Earth, Thanagar, Krypton, Rann and etcetera. Your Hawkman, my Hawkman, Nighthawk, Silent Knight, Hawks-we-have-never-heard-of and etcetera.


This is really for the best.

It is?
Could have fooled me.
Is the "Carter Hall" we have based on the original Golden Age/JSA member of the past, or is he more of the post-Zero Hour "CARTER THE BARBARIAN" that seemed to be in the few Geoff Johns stories I read? (More savage than intellectual.)