Ms. Marvel
Captain Marvel
Captain. No contest. Most reasoning for bringing her back to Ms Marvel usually has some misogynistic roots. BUT, if Monica Rambeau ever decides to be Captain Marvel again, I'm backing her 110%.
I prefer Ms. but I'm fine with Captain and could understand the progression to it.
Though I wouldn't mind someone calling her Ms. Marvel in the movie as a nod to her time as that alias. Hell I'd actually be happy for it.
Don't get how Ms. Is offensive given Miss Fantastic, Mister Fantastic. I'm pretty sure Civillians have called Superman, Mr. Superman at one point or another
It's sorta like a fake offensive. The same people who were cheering her removal of the Ms. moniker were the same people praising Kamala for taking the name. It's only offensive if it helps push whatever cause they stand behind. Best to be ignored.
I don't really care what Carol's name is, I just hope Mar'Vell comes back at some point. She can keep the Captain part. It's just a name. That really hasn't help her all that much, I might add.
Carol has always been cool character but recently writers have spoiled her and I'm more apathetic to her then anything else. Keep it, don't keep don't care. Writer her better and bring back Mar'Vell and then I'm on board.
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Except it's not just a poll. It's an ongoing discussion. It's people who can't accept that Carol Danvers is not going to be Ms. Marvel again. That she is not going back to the black costume. It's people who can't accept that shit has moved on, and so they keep talking about it. They keep saying they don't like Carol as Captain Marvel, as though it makes a difference. She's getting a movie as Captain Marvel, she's about to be known to the world as Captain Marvel, so people whining about how Marvel "ruined" her by giving her pants are just whining pointlessly.
It's not that "Ms. Marvel" is offensive. It's that a whooooooooooooole lot of the people objecting to Carol being Captain Marvel have some pretty misogynistic undertones to a lot of their complaints. So, so, soooooooooo many of these people focus on her not being "sexy" any more. The assholes who call her "Carl Manvers" because she doesn't have boob socks. They make the fact that they don't want to wank to her any more a key part of their complaints. And hey! That shit's misogynistic! When someone spends a lot of time complaining about a woman not being sexy? That person is misogynistic. Because they are saying that a woman's sexual attractiveness is paramount.
I mean, hell, just today, there have been people bitching about the new She-Ra design, making the same complaints. Complaining about her lack of cleavage, and saying she looks like a boy. Because, apparently, massive tits are what defines womanhood. If a female character isn't running around with tits that are each the size of her head, what's even the point?
Ms. isn't offensive. It's literally the equivalent of Mr., a relationship-neutral title. What's offensive is how often the people who dislike Carol switching to Captain make reference to her appearance as a key part of their reasoning for not liking it.
Ms. Cause Captain Marvel is not a super hero name, it was his rank and name.
Wasnt Captain Marvel the name that Monica carried? she should be ms. marvel.
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Yeah. There's nothing wrong with the Ms Marvel name, if there was, they wouldn't have given it to Kamala.
And I would say there isn't even anything wrong with the black Ms Marvel costume(well, except that it's generic and it doesn't make that much sense for Carol to wear that) if not for the way most artists drew it. But you just know that most people who prefer her as Ms Marvel have very obvious reasons...
Captain. No contest.
Now, whoever said that it shouldn't have been a mantle to pass on, since it was a rank and name, is right. But Marvel's never going to let go of that name so someone had to take it. And really, it should've been Carol from the start (sorry Monica).
She was fine as Ms. Marvel. I enjoyed her (though I did like Warbird more back in the day). But now that she's upgraded to Captain? She *is* Captain Marvel, bitches!
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Captain, I don't think Ms. is a downgrade, I just think Kamala's made Ms. Marvel her own and there's no need to mess with something that's working.
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In terms of stories and moments I remember Carol as Ms but Kamala has owned Ms Marvel so much more than Carol that she shouldn't go back to it.
She has no reason to do that in-story. The name was completely random for her, it doesn't have any meaning like there is for Carol or Mar-Vell's kids. And on irl contexts, Monica being Captain Marvel is only brought up by anti-Carol people to be like "Wow, she stole it from a black woman!!!", when they never cared one bit during the decades Monica didn't had it because of the white guy who actually stole it from her, or even mention his existence.