X-Men Black confirmed

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X-Men Black? Why can't we get X-Men White featuring Emma Frost and written by Kelly Thompson!!!!

I'm for that.

[nandes]

I really thought we were done with the color themes, ugh

[Perfection/Emma 2]

Magneto you old miserable fart you BETTER recruit Lady Mastermind or no buy

[Tycon]

Why are people pitching solid X-Men heroes??? Bunn is gonna have Magneto as a full-on villain by the end of it all. His Brotherhood set up by the end of his run, so I'm 1000% sure that will gonna be the lineup.

[Havok83]

Why are people pitching solid X-Men heroes??? Bunn is gonna have Magneto as a full-on villain by the end of it all. His Brotherhood set up by the end of his run, so I'm 1000% sure that will gonna be the lineup.

We don’t know how Blue ends. That’s all speculative. This book is called X-men why naturally heroes are being pitchdd

[Beetle]

Why are people pitching solid X-Men heroes??? Bunn is gonna have Magneto as a full-on villain by the end of it all. His Brotherhood set up by the end of his run, so I'm 1000% sure that will gonna be the lineup.

But with Sabretooth, Mystique, Lady Deathstrike and Omega Red all already on Weapon X, who does that really leave?

Emma and Juggernaut?

[Maestroneto]

But with Sabretooth, Mystique, Lady Deathstrike and Omega Red all already on Weapon X, who does that really leave?

Emma and Juggernaut?

Daken and Exodus. And flatscan Briar.

[Denirac]

But with Sabretooth, Mystique, Lady Deathstrike and Omega Red all already on Weapon X, who does that really leave?

Emma and Juggernaut?

Deadpool? He’s still out there and teamless and given his Spectacular fall from Grace, he’s For Hire and seen as the Bad Guy by most people

[Rivka]

This is great! I love Bunn’s Magneto and his X-Men: Blue (and the O5, sorry) so I really hope he’s writing.

I think the people speculating about what this means might be right though, Uncanny doesn’t seem likely to come back with the color theme being reinforced. Maybe Blue & Gold will be relaunched with new teams. I guess we’ll see on Sunday!

Sorry DamianWayne1, I was responding to the wrong thread, LOL!

Anyway, I'm very nervous about what Bunn is going to do to Magneto in the remaining X-MEN BLUE comics. Magneto is not a "villain" and regressing him is a crime. I'm wary of X-MEN BLACK until I know more information. And I hate Magneto's old costume. Damn it, the 1960s are over, the 1990s are over. Look to the future Marvel, not the past!

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There wasn't any editorial "interference" and I don't think Bunn said there was. Stories have to be changed sometimes. It happens all the time, even to the superstar writers like Bendis. Editors edit. That's their job. Bunn is a professional and this is work for hire, he's playing with Marvel's toys. In fact, I think the editors kept Bunn writing Magneto as an anti-hero, because he apparently didn't want to. That's a good thing. But editors are supposed to provide guidance; there are Marvel policies, continuity issues, character beats that might be needed for other books or future projects. All Bunn said was that story lines were changed because of all the other books and projects that were going on. I think he said that a few story lines were changed and he doesn't know why. But he's a pro, and he rolled with it.

Like I said, it's work for hire. Mr. Bunn didn't have to take X-MEN BLUE and write the O5 if he didn't want to. And he was allowed to take Magneto, at his request.

We all complain when our favorite characters are written badly, or continuity is ignored, or there is no consistency between the various books. That's what editors are supposed to be doing--making sure our favorite characters are kept consistent and their history, continuity are respected. In the case of characters like Magneto and Emma Frost, editors are supposed to make sure neither of them is pushed too far in the direction of "villain" because they are gray-area characters now. I don't want writers doing whatever they want to characters because of a personal wishlist. I want an editor to step in and say, "No, this is going too far" when necessary.

And regarding Cullen Bunn's repeated assertion that Magneto has "always been a villain" this is blatantly, demonstrably NOT true either in the real world, or in the Marvel Universe. I hate that word anyway, it's outdated. It implies a super hero caste system, like a Medieval morality play, where everyone is stuck in their role, and can't think, can't review their lives, can't change. That's not what modern Marvel is all about. These characters are capable of change. Heroes and "villains" aren't entire bodies and minds that are always good or always bad; white hats and black hats. That's simplistic, even dangerous. (Even Pixar cartoons for little kids have mocked the old-fashioned concept of "villain" in super hero stories.) There are people who have transgressed, done horrible things, who can do good. There are good people who can do something evil. There are especially characters who can change, who are on redemption arcs. There is nothing more important than a redemption arc in a story.

Anyway, I'm very nervous about X-MEN BLACK until I know more information. And I hate the old costume. Damn it, the 1960s are over, the 1990s are over. Look to the future Marvel, not the past!

Well... a lot of what you say is technically accurate but I think you know editorial has screwed things up massively before and they tend to be the ones to do it more so than the writers themselves

The last two paragraphs, your points about not using black and white boxes on characters, as well as the ugliness of the 60s Mags costume I concur with

[Silver Fang]

But with Sabretooth, Mystique, Lady Deathstrike and Omega Red all already on Weapon X, who does that really leave?

Emma and Juggernaut?

When Mystique eventually betrays, embarrasses, and usurps Creed, he may go back to Magneto. lol Or Domino could get enough of the villains and be moved to a less outright evil roster where she'd better fit.

And as stated, Daken is available, Exodus, and Deadpool are possible. Cable could be another. Even some mutants that have faded into the background and could do with the exposure, like Marrow or Boomer.

[Beaubier]

So I tweeted Cullen Bunn asking him if he would be writing this. Sadly he is not. Wtf is Marvel doing?!?

[Rivka]

Well... a lot of what you say is technically accurate but I think you know editorial has screwed things up massively before and they tend to be the ones to do it more so than the writers themselves

The last two paragraphs, your points about not using black and white boxes on characters, as well as the ugliness of the 60s Mags costume I concur with

Thanks for replying and not reminding me that I posted in the wrong thread. I was supposed to say all that in the Cullen Bunn podcast interview thread. But yeah, you have a point--in the Bob Harras days he was called "white out BOB" because of his penchant for making massive changes to scripting and art behind the creators' backs. I guess there needs to be a balance, as with all things.

[akiresu_]

Why are people pitching solid X-Men heroes??? Bunn is gonna have Magneto as a full-on villain by the end of it all. His Brotherhood set up by the end of his run, so I'm 1000% sure that will gonna be the lineup.

In fairness, it's Bunn. Whenever he's written something, just assume that it'll be jettisoned out of continuity as soon as he's left the book. If not before.

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So if Bunn isn't writing this then I guess no Briar

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