Children of Magneto, yes or no ?

[adamTPTK]

Having someone depicted as being wrong in one area for attacking their aggressors (in the eyes of Magda) counters his humanization. That was the problem I have with it. And sorry, I feel it's reaching. Just my opinion. It's trying to find fault.

I already showed how attacking an aggressor didn't bother her beforehand. Sure a retcon may come that justifies it. One that could further vilify Mags and make her look more sympathetic. But I prefer it this way. Many retcons treat SA Magneto that Claremont carefully established as actual madman as it was just Magneto in his right mind. All of them seemed to miss the point.
In any way, as the saying goes, "a good story doesn't tell you what to think (and feel), it just makes you think (and feel)" (or something like that, I'm paraphrasing). So your interpretation is as valid as mine, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree

[GenericUsername]

You are absolutely free to your headcanon.

[Michael Watkins]

It's Max Eisenhardt's story not Madga's story, OK… But why belittling the woman?
It's not because we don't talk about people that they don't matter.

if you care so much about Magda, you should really take offense at her being rendered irrelevant by the recent retcon on the twins' parentage. look at the lengths Wanda has gone to find out about her sorceress mom. she didn't give a **** about who Magda was.

[Michael Watkins]

You're right they never needed him.

except when he saved them from the mob of angry villagers. they literally used that as their excuse to stay with the Brotherhood.

[Michael Watkins]

I think this was most likely to convey a sensitivity toward killing. Not necessarily who he was killing. Just that he was being violent and it scared her. I don't think they ever mentioned that she hated mutants or anything. She was just frightened. It was probably a poor example for them to use for heel turn towards villainy though. But a lot that was written about Mags then was an attempt to humanize him. Because he was just basic villain until then.

that wasn't his "heel turn." he searched for Magda. he wound up volunteering at a hospital for holocaust survivors. he then hunted nazis for the government. they betrayed him after killing someone he had grown to love. that's when he snapped.

[Michael Watkins]

whenever people call Magneto a horrible dad, i have to point out that we've never seen him officially act as a dad. all we saw of Anya was her death. and Magda deprived of him of his ability to be a dad to Wanda and Pietro. spin it how you like. but they were adults when they met him. they weren't his children at that point. they were recruits in a war. he treated them like soldiers because that's what they were. you call it abusive to engineer dangerous situations for them. it wasn't that dissimilar to what Professor X was doing. it's not any different from Captain America's training of them either. Steve Rogers physically assaulted Clint Barton to teach him not to rely on his bow; no warning or provocation. i want you to observe how Magneto was in the Age of Apocalypse where he did get a chance to be a dad. Magneto isn't a horrible father. he's someone who had that opportunity taken away by tragedy after tragedy. and everyone forgets that part of what got Pietro killed was Magneto's rage over what Pietro had done to his sister. he wasn't just angry about being a puppet. at that moment, he represented the hate and anger of everyone that had woken up from the altered reality. it's why Wanda turned her back on Pietro in her solo book. he's a bad guy and a worse father than Magneto (and he's had every opportunity to be a father to Luna). what's worse, Magneto taking Pietro's head off or Wanda leaving him homeless and powerless? think of all that Pietro did to get his powers back (hint: he murdered someone in cold blood). this is who you are defending. do you really think that his short time in the Brotherhood made him a sociopath? why isn't Wanda one?

[MaximoffTrash]

except when he saved them from the mob of angry villagers. they literally used that as their excuse to stay with the Brotherhood.

Yeah, and you can say this to any character who has been saved by others.
Magneto started their story in a way and that is pretty much it.
And personally Magneto being a good dad or not doesn't matter that much. IMO he simply didn't add much to Wanda's story, Chthon is an equally if not more horrible father figure/creator, but again he is the type Wanda is allowed to overcome unlike Mags who is usually shielded by popularity, meaning his way of actions and thinking cannot be fundamentally challenged.
And there is no need to since they belong in different franchises anyway.
And nope, Mag didn't kill Pietro for hurting/manipulating Wanda, he did because he dare to assume what Mags wanted. Which part suggests he was angry for Wanda or anything really?

[GenericUsername]

whenever people call Magneto a horrible dad, i have to point out that we've never seen him officially act as a dad. all we saw of Anya was her death. and Magda deprived of him of his ability to be a dad to Wanda and Pietro. spin it how you like. but they were adults when they met him. they weren't his children at that point. they were recruits in a war. he treated them like soldiers because that's what they were. you call it abusive to engineer dangerous situations for them. it wasn't that dissimilar to what Professor X was doing. it's not any different from Captain America's training of them either. Steve Rogers physically assaulted Clint Barton to teach him not to rely on his bow; no warning or provocation. i want you to observe how Magneto was in the Age of Apocalypse where he did get a chance to be a dad. Magneto isn't a horrible father. he's someone who had that opportunity taken away by tragedy after tragedy. and everyone forgets that part of what got Pietro killed was Magneto's rage over what Pietro had done to his sister. he wasn't just angry about being a puppet. at that moment, he represented the hate and anger of everyone that had woken up from the altered reality. it's why Wanda turned her back on Pietro in her solo book. he's a bad guy and a worse father than Magneto (and he's had every opportunity to be a father to Luna). what's worse, Magneto taking Pietro's head off or Wanda leaving him homeless and powerless? think of all that Pietro did to get his powers back (hint: he murdered someone in cold blood). this is who you are defending. do you really think that his short time in the Brotherhood made him a sociopath? why isn't Wanda one?

You don't attack, chain your kids to walls or kill them over stuff like that. If you use your terrible life as an excuse to abuse your kids or kill them, you are a bad dad.

It's ok for Mags to have flaws. Good characters have flaws. He doesn't need to be perfect and boring.

Also, Steve has lots of flaws too. People whitewash those as well. Also never said Wanda and Pietro were perfect. Marvel characters entirely aren't meant to be perfect. Pietro is also a bad dad. Can't say much about Wanda because her actual kids died young. And Wiccan and Speed aren't really her's. They just have the spiritual essence of her children, but were born to other people.

[GenericUsername]

except when he saved them from the mob of angry villagers. they literally used that as their excuse to stay with the Brotherhood.

Feeling like you owe someone a debt does not = excuse. They left once Mags want them to murder the X-Men.

[GenericUsername]

if you care so much about Magda, you should really take offense at her being rendered irrelevant by the recent retcon on the twins' parentage. look at the lengths Wanda has gone to find out about her sorceress mom. she didn't give a **** about who Magda was.

No matter what we say about Magda, she might never be seen again. So none of that likely matters.

[Michael Watkins]

You don't attack, chain your kids to walls or kill them over stuff like that.

it would be arrogant to assume this. you don't have mutant powers. you haven't been alive since before WWII. has one of your kids recklessly exposed people to terrigen mists or changed reality? do you live in a world where most encounters with other super powered individuals begins with violence?

If you use your terrible life as an excuse to abuse your kids or kill them, you are a bad dad.

again, he was never their parent. you're judging a character (who no longer exists because of Mutant Alpha) who didn't have kids or any reason to expect that Wanda and Pietro were his. not to mention that you're talking about a crazy individual who had been driven crazy by his experiences. why do the twins not get any blame for sticking around and taking the abuse of someone like that (they never defended Toad btw)? they didn't think that he was their father. they literally could have showed up at the X-Mansion and Xavier would have protected them; if it was fear that kept them around. if you want to judge the character that exists currently (especially as a father), it's only fair to start from the point where he became aware of their tie (which has since been retconned away) to him. his instinct was to seek them out and apologize.

P.S. Wanda used her "terrible life" as an excuse to depower mutants; leading to death and suffering.

[Michael Watkins]

No matter what we say about Magda, she might never be seen again. So none of that likely matters.

it will always matter. they haven't retconned away Magda or Anya. my bet is that we see Magda again in the next few years.

[Michael Watkins]

Yeah, and you can say this to any character who has been saved by others.
Magneto started their story in a way and that is pretty much it.
And personally Magneto being a good dad or not doesn't matter that much. IMO he simply didn't add much to Wanda's story, Chthon is an equally if not more horrible father figure/creator, but again he is the type Wanda is allowed to overcome unlike Mags who is usually shielded by popularity, meaning his way of actions and thinking cannot be fundamentally challenged.
And there is no need to since they belong in different franchises anyway.
And nope, Mag didn't kill Pietro for hurting/manipulating Wanda, he did because he dare to assume what Mags wanted. Which part suggests he was angry for Wanda or anything really?

read it again

[Michael Watkins]

Feeling like you owe someone a debt does not = excuse. They left once Mags want them to murder the X-Men.

but they get a pass for fighting the X-Men? what do you think would have happened had they won those altercations? everyone forgets that Pietro flat out said that he didn't care for humans either when they were recruited.

[Witchfan]

I think that an update on Magneto's origin is coming, one that makes him younger and eliminates his status as a Holocaust victim. Only after that point could he be made the father of the Maximoffs again. Of course, the update could eliminate the relationship even more.