James Gunn dropped from GOTG 3

[Jokerz79]

This was already a story when Gunn was first hired and people forgot about it. So no this scenario player put already and your hypothesis didn’t happen. Him getting fired made this story bigger.

One not all his comments were brought to light then and two he was a indie director directing a virtually unknown property then hence the media not caring. Now he's a A-List Director part of one of the biggest franchises there is now there is a huge difference there.

[Jokerz79]

Wait until Disney finds out what's in Sarah Silverman's act.

Hollywood doesn't care what you do or say they care if you can make or cost them money. If a controversy starts around Silverman's past act or something current I guarantee she's gone.

[GozertheGozarian]

Hollywood doesn't care what you do or say they care if you can make or cost them money. If a controversy starts around Silverman's past act or something current I guarantee she's gone.

Silverman has made far more pedo jokes than Gunn, and more recently.

[Jokerz79]

Silverman has made far more pedo jokes than Gunn, and more recently.

Is there a controversy? That's my point Hollywood doesn't care until it can cost them money.

[XPac]

Beating your wife is okay, but god forbid you go to a themed costume party.



Wait until people find out the kinds of movies Gunn made before Disney hired him to make the Guardians 1 and 2.

Wait until people find out what's in Sarah Silverman's act. And she has voiced a Disney Princess.



This isn't like Edgar Wright, in case you haven't noticed. If they had ignored this, it would have gone away. They invited this controversy when they fired him. They brought this controversy on themselves.



In case you missed it, the "Right" in this case was Mike "Pizzagate" Cernovich. You know who that is, right? A man like that should never be given the time of day. Disney gave him the time of day.

Honestly I don't think it would have gone away either way. If it were that simplr, Disney wouldn't have bothered doing anything either way. But in the current climate it's just harder for even big companies like Disney to sweep stuff under the carpet.

Again, Disney simply had to pick their poison. Take a hit from the left foot or the right. They will get hit no matter what, though they can take the hit either way. There's ultimately no perfect way to handle this.

[XPac]

Silverman has made far more pedo jokes than Gunn, and more recently.

And odds are if she were chosen to direct a major motion picture for Disney, she'd be taking a hit too.

If you want to make an example of someone, do it with someone people will actually give a dam about. If you are going to hit them, hit them where it hurts. Gun is a big easy target.

[AJBopp]

Cernovich is scum but once the general public learned the Director of one of the biggest franchises GOTG which is part of arguably the biggest franchise right now the MCU a franchise targeted at Families and Kids made numerous Pedophile jokes this was never going away. This had politics, sex, save the children angle, and Hollywood this was a clickbait tabloid media fantasy come to life.

Even after Cernovich did what he did, there was almost no story. The first most people heard of the whole thing was when Disney announced they were "severing all ties" with Gunn. That's when it became a story, and that's when the public took notice. Polls show most people support Gunn in this matter.

If it had gone differently, it would have looked something like this:

- Cernovich digs up old tweets
- Story reported in three paragraph stories in legitimate media and entire episodes of InfoWars.
- Disney does nothing, or at most says "It was a long time ago. Move along."
- InfoWars-type sites make a fuss for a couple days until they decide Democratic politicians will make them more money.
- No one associated with the movie (or the movie industry) says anything bad about Disney
- Only people with a Cernovich mindset continue to even think about the story, much less talk about it.
- But without having achieved any outcome by their manufactured outrage, no one pays any attention. No story. Everyone moves one within 3 or 4 days.

There's really no other way for it to have reasonably gone down.

Movie-goers don't base their entertainment decisions on the purity of movie-makers, any more than they base their voting decisions on who they think is least corrupt. People generally assume artists, politicians, and others in power are largely up to no good. It rarely affects personal decision-making.

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It's still a nothing move considering they are using his script for the third movie and he'll be harder to replace as a writer than as a director.

[kdx125]

Ugh... I can't believe this is still getting so much attention. It's time to move on, for everybody.

I don't understand why you'd think that "everybody" is going to move on from this ever, never mind after only a single month. There are people in comics who still curse the name of Fredric Wertham, and his motives were a lot purer than Cernovich's. There are people in comics who still curse the name of Jim Shooter, and unlike Horn he didn't straight up fire someone.

[Kevinroc]

Honestly I don't think it would have gone away either way. If it were that simplr, Disney wouldn't have bothered doing anything either way. But in the current climate it's just harder for even big companies like Disney to sweep stuff under the carpet.

Again, Disney simply had to pick their poison. Take a hit from the left foot or the right. They will get hit no matter what, though they can take the hit either way. There's ultimately no perfect way to handle this.

A lot of these same people tried to get Rick & Morty co-creator Dan Harmon fired. All that happened was AS voiced their support for Harmon, and Harmon deleted his Twitter account.

These same people tried to get the New York Times new reporter Sarah Jeong fired in a similar manner (over "racist" joke tweets). Nothing happened to her. Nobody cared.

Disney outright caved to these people. You have no proof that what you say would have happened if Disney had elected to ignore them.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Even after Cernovich did what he did, there was almost no story. The first most people heard of the whole thing was when Disney announced they were "severing all ties" with Gunn. That's when it became a story, and that's when the public took notice. Polls show most people support Gunn in this matter.

If it had gone differently, it would have looked something like this:

- Cernovich digs up old tweets
- Story reported in three paragraph stories in legitimate media and entire episodes of InfoWars.
- Disney does nothing, or at most says "It was a long time ago. Move along."
- InfoWars-type sites make a fuss for a couple days until they decide Democratic politicians will make them more money.
- No one associated with the movie (or the movie industry) says anything bad about Disney
- Only people with a Cernovich mindset continue to even think about the story, much less talk about it.
- But without having achieved any outcome by their manufactured outrage, no one pays any attention. No story. Everyone moves one within 3 or 4 days.

There's really no other way for it to have reasonably gone down.

Movie-goers don't base their entertainment decisions on the purity of movie-makers, any more than they base their voting decisions on who they think is least corrupt. People generally assume artists, politicians, and others in power are largely up to no good. It rarely affects personal decision-making.

Which was my point. The jokes and tweets weren't and never were going to be a big story and they certainly had no staying power. We saw what happened when it was just people reporting about the tweets. The story was Disney rushing to fire him, which created the controversy.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

One not all his comments were brought to light then and two he was a indie director directing a virtually unknown property then hence the media not caring. Now he's a A-List Director part of one of the biggest franchises there is now there is a huge difference there.

They were a story when he was already hired to be the director for a major release in the MCU. The story that got traction was not the tweets, it was the firing as a result. That's what people are talking about and that's the only reason this is a story right now.

[Kevinroc]

Disney granted legitimacy to a conspiracy nut who got a pizza place shot up.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Disney granted legitimacy to a conspiracy nut who got a pizza place shot up.

Pretty much yes.

[XPac]

A lot of these same people tried to get Rick & Morty co-creator Dan Harmon fired. All that happened was AS voiced their support for Harmon, and Harmon deleted his Twitter account.

These same people tried to get the New York Times new reporter Sarah Jeong fired in a similar manner (over "racist" joke tweets). Nothing happened to her. Nobody cared.

Disney outright caved to these people. You have no proof that what you say would have happened if Disney had elected to ignore them.

Sure, there's no proof to say the controversy would bigger or smaller if they did one thing or the other. Again, all Disney can do it pick their poison.

They will likely take a or hit either way, but they also know they can take the hit either way and the world will keep spinning. They picked their poison, and moved on.

People will disagree with their call either way. You can't make everyone happy.