James Gunn dropped from GOTG 3

[XPac]

This is a dumb take.

Let's take a look at the top 10 grossing MCU movies (World Wide unadjusted)

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/franch...d=avengers.htm

1 Avengers: Infinity War BV $2,046.6
2 Marvel's The Avengers BV $1,518.8
3 Avengers: Age of Ultron BV $1,405.4
4 Black Panther BV $1,346.9
5 Iron Man 3 BV $1,214.8
6 Captain America: Civil War BV $1,153.3
7 Spider-Man: Homecoming Sony $880.2
8 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 BV $863.8
9 Thor: Ragnarok BV $854.0
10 Guardians of the Galaxy BV $773.3

I don't think there's any doubt that Guardians wasn't a successful franchise.

But realistically at this point they could plug in any marvel super hero movie and still make millions. They have at least half a dozen movies on deck, and with the X-Men and FF IPs they potentially have dozens more.

Point being at this point Disney probably doesn't care that much if they don't make Guardians 3. Not that it wasn't incredibly profitable... but they have so much going for them at this point that they can eat whatever difference good or made a different movie might make without even batting an eye. With the momentum of success and money they are making at this point they simply can't lose regardless of what movie they put out.... to them firing Gunn and not making Guardians 3 simply doesn't matter.

[Kevinroc]

I don't think there's any doubt that Guardians wasn't a successful franchise.

But realistically at this point they could plug in any marvel super hero movie and still make millions. They have at least half a dozen movies on deck, and with the X-Men and FF IPs they potentially have dozens more.

Point being at this point Disney probably doesn't care that much if they don't make Guardians 3. Not that it wasn't incredibly profitable... but they have so much going for them at this point that they can eat whatever difference good or made a different movie might make without even batting an eye. With the momentum of success and money they are making at this point they simply can't lose regardless of what movie they put out.... to them firing Gunn and not making Guardians 3 simply doesn't matter.

Imagine having a take this awful. That losing a film that could have potentially earned more than half a billion dollars is no big deal.

[Raiders]

Imagine having a take this awful. That losing a film that could have potentially earned more than half a billion dollars is no big deal.

Disney will have X and F4, when they join the MCU they will be bigger than GOTG.
Disney is not sweating.

[Kevinroc]

Disney will have X and F4, when they join the MCU they will be bigger than GOTG.
Disney is not sweating.

I didn't say Disney was going to go under. Disney pissing away a sure fire $500 million+ in profits is still a terrible way to run a movie studio.

[numberthirty]

Imagine having a take this awful. That losing a film that could have potentially earned more than half a billion dollars is no big deal.

You just posted a list of ten times that they have done that easily.

If that's your batting average? Yeah, it's really no big deal.

[Kevinroc]

You just posted a list of ten times that they have done that easily.

If that's your batting average? Yeah, it's really no big deal.

You'll notice, with the exception of (the first) Avengers and Black Panther, those were all sequels and (in Spider-Man's case) reboots, right? In fact, in the case of Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor, those were often the third movies in their respective franchises.

Imagine what they could have done with Guardians 3 at this rate.

[numberthirty]

You'll notice, with the exception of (the first) Avengers and Black Panther, those were all sequels and (in Spider-Man's case) reboots, right? In fact, in the case of Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor, those were often the third movies in their respective franchises.

Imagine what they could have done with Guardians 3 at this rate.

Politely, look at the numbers again.

The "Guardians" films are the dead weight, in that regard.

[Kevinroc]

Politely, look at the numbers again.

The "Guardians" films are the dead weight, in that regard.

Guardians 1 and 2 made the top 10. Captain America 1 and 2, Iron Man 1 and 2, Thor 1 and 2 didn't even crack the top 10. (And Guardians 2 still outgrossed Thor Ragnarok.)

You wanna run that by me again?

[numberthirty]

Guardians 1 and 2 made the top 10. Captain America 1 and 2, Iron Man 1 and 2, Thor 1 and 2 didn't even crack the top 10. (And Guardians 2 still outgrossed Thor Ragnarok.)

You wanna run that by me again?

In simple terms...

Every franchise you just mentioned, with the exception of "Guardians", has a sequel that made "Straight Up Stupid" money versus the earlier films. The "Captain America" films, in particular.

If you are going to try to make a case for what a third "Guardians" film could have made, you are going to need a way, way better jump in profits than the modest increase in profits between the first and second "Guardians" films. Nothing in those numbers suggest that the third film was going to be some massive success.

[choptop]

Disney will have X and F4, when they join the MCU they will be bigger than GOTG.
Disney is not sweating.

Maybe the xmen I really don't see it with the F4.

[Kevinroc]

In simple terms...

Every franchise you just mentioned, with the exception of "Guardians", has a sequel that made "Straight Up Stupid" money versus the earlier films. The "Captain America" films, in particular.

If you are going to try to make a case for what a third "Guardians" film could have made, you are going to need a way, way better jump in profits than the modest increase in profits between the first and second "Guardians" films. Nothing in those numbers suggest that the third film was going to be some massive success.

16 Iron Man Par. $585.2
14 Iron Man 2 Par. $623.9
5 Iron Man 3 BV $1,214.8

10 Guardians of the Galaxy BV $773.3
8 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 BV $863.8

You want to try to make that argument again?

[numberthirty]

16 Iron Man Par. $585.2
14 Iron Man 2 Par. $623.9
5 Iron Man 3 BV $1,214.8

10 Guardians of the Galaxy BV $773.3
8 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 BV $863.8

You want to try to make that argument again?

Take a look at the increase as the "Iron Man" films go along. Once you have, take a look at the increase as the "Guardians" films go along.

You've just made the argument. The third "Iron Man" film more than doubled the first.

[Kevinroc]

Take a look at the increase as the "Iron Man" films go along. Once you have, take a look at the increase as the "Guardians" films go along.

You've just made the argument. The third "Iron Man" film more than doubled the first.

Yes, I can see the numbers. I can also see that movies that made $773.3 and $863.8 (as Guardians 1 and 2 did respectively) not already being classified as "massive successes" is moving the goal posts something fierce.

You don't know what kind of growth Guardians 3 would have had (and neither do I) after Infinity War and its sequel. And now we never will. For even if Guardians 3 ever actually comes out, it has been so tainted that we couldn't say what could have been.

Disney turned a sure fire hit into a massive fiasco. And undercutting this by saying "they'll be fine because they have (insert other massively popular IP here)" is a terrible way to run a business. But it's nothing new for Hollywood. It just boggles my mind how many people here will defend Disney from criticism over how they handled this.

[XPac]

Imagine having a take this awful. That losing a film that could have potentially earned more than half a billion dollars is no big deal.

If it were a big deal for them, they would have simply not fired Gunn and made the darn film. But since they honestly know they have have a dozen films which will make millions and dozens more doen the pike yeah .... rhis is likely no big deal. They are in a position where they can fire who they want, make the movies they want. In the grand scheme of things whether or not they rhey make Guardians 3 simply won't matter.

[numberthirty]

If it were a big deal for them, they would have simply not fired Gunn and made the darn film. But since they honestly know they have have a dozen films which will make millions and dozens more doen the pike yeah .... rhis is likely no big deal. They are in a position where they can fire who they want, make the movies they want. In the grand scheme of things whether or not they rhey make Guardians 3 simply won't matter.

Yep.

Folks were talking "Uh, Uh!" when Whedon jumped ship. Same when they parted ways with Wright.

Disney/Marvel just laughed while they were dragging their loot to the bank.

This is no different.