James Gunn dropped from GOTG 3

[AJBopp]

If you are already set for cash and won a bunch on slot machines, how much did you actually screw up if you lost ten or twenty bucks one night?

Even if you want to view it as "Screwed Up...", it doesn't amount to much of anything.

This is a flawed analogy on many levels. Disney isn't in the business of gambling for entertainment. They are making business decisions. Perhaps a better analogy would be "If a casino lost 1/100th of it's net value in one night to several customers on a winning streak, it would not be a serious threat to the casino's health, but the manager would lose his job before the next day's sun set." It indicates a serious flaw in the implementation of the casino's business strategy.

The problem with that way of looking at is that there is no MCU prequel equivalent of Solo: A Star Wars Story we can discuss.

You are pointing to a very singular instance as if it has much of anything to do with the future of the MCU. It really doesn't.

Prequel has nothing at all to do with the validity of the train of thought. Studios make movies with the intention of making a profit. How much of a profit depends on the movie. Some movies are even made with the intent that they will make so much money that they offset the failures. When that type of movie is itself a failure, its a serious problem on many levels.

That's why we're not likely to see any more "A Star Wars Story" movies. The movie made money, but not nearly enough. It didn't do its job.

Under performing, whether in Star Wars, the MCU, or the DCEU, is a always a very big deal.

[Kirby101]

Thanks ALB, that is exactly my point. It's about the business not one specific movie or another.

[numberthirty]

Thanks ALB, that is exactly my point. It's about the business not one specific movie or another.

There is no :A Star Wars Story equivalent to point to in the MCU. From a strictly "Business" perspective, you are talking about something that has nothing to do with the MCU.

The "Star Wars" franchise made an attempt to expand past the "Core" series of films. Nothing like that is happening in the MCU. Certainly not the film we are discussing.

[AJBopp]

There is no :A Star Wars Storyequivalent to point to in the MCU. From a strictly "Business" perspective, you are talking about something that has nothing to do with the MCU.

The "Star Wars" franchise made an attempt to expand past the "Core" series of films. Nothing like that is happening in the MCU.

And you continue to miss the point. It's business, not a story, not an effort to move past a core story, whatever that means. It's about box office and expectations.It's about business strategy. Nothing else matters.

[Kirby101]

Again it is about how not making as much money can change things at a Studio. It is why no GOTG is a bigger deal than you and Raider claim.

[Raiders]

Again it is about how not making as much money can change things at a Studio. It is why no GOTG is a bigger deal than you and Raider claim.

You’re the one that not understanding, Disney fired Gunn and they are sticking by that decision even if it puts GOTG 3 in jeopardy.
Disney is not losing money or sleep over this. You can’t lose money on a film that doesn’t exist.

[Kevinroc]

You’re the one that not understanding, Disney fired Gunn and they are sticking by that decision even if it puts GOTG 3 in jeopardy.
Disney is not losing money or sleep over this. You can’t lose money on a film that doesn’t exist.

Posts like this prove you have no idea what you are talking about.

[kjn]

You’re the one that not understanding, Disney fired Gunn and they are sticking by that decision even if it puts GOTG 3 in jeopardy.
Disney is not losing money or sleep over this. You can’t lose money on a film that doesn’t exist.

Disney is losing here, in three ways. First because they had to pay out a lot of money to Gunn for terminating his contract prematurely. Second because they have put some money into preproduction of GotG 3 that is now wasted, either since they won't do GotG 3 or because they will need to rework things in the absence of Gunn. From the viewpoint of a company like Disney, this isn't that much money, but we are still talking in the millions of dollars.

Second, harder to quantify and likely impossible to answer unless you're Kevin Feige, is the cost of replacing Gunn within the MCU as a producer and director. From what I can tell, MCU runs on a very tight ship where Feige and his lieutenants—of whom Gunn seems to have been one—are deeply involved in every movie from beginning to end.

Third, and likely even harder to quantify, is the moral cost within the MCU staff. I was part of a volunteer organisation that went through a public upheaval due to a botched firing and personal management decision, and it hurt our work within our entire organisation for over a month, and hurt the division that I was part of for several months. And that was with a person who was far lower down on the organisational totem pole than Gunn was within the MCU.

[XPac]

Again it is about how not making as much money can change things at a Studio. It is why no GOTG is a bigger deal than you and Raider claim.

On the flip side, if the MCU movies continue to make money after the Gunn firing and they continue business as usual, can we say that it's not really a big deal?

[Kevinroc]

On the flip side, if the MCU movies continue to make money after the Gunn firing and they continue business as usual, can we say that it's not really a big deal?

It's already a big deal.

Anyways, there doesn't appear to be a movie filling that hole GOTG3 left behind (whether the movie ever actually gets made or not).

[Raiders]

Posts like this prove you have no idea what you are talking about.

It’s obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Disney has many products to replace GOTG, including all the Fox products. They are not going to miss a beat.
You Gunn supporters need to stop fantasizing how this going to hurt Disney.
99.9% of the audience don’t even care about Gunn.
Losing one franchise doesn’t hurt Disney in any way.

Gunn supporters are angry at Disney, so fantasizing how Disney will suffer, makes them feel better.

[Kevinroc]

It’s obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Disney has many products to replace GOTG, including all the Fox products. They are not going to miss a beat.
You Gunn supporters need to stop fantasizing how this going to hurt Disney.
99.9% of the audience don’t even care about Gunn.
Losing one franchise doesn’t hurt Disney in any way.

Gunn supporters are angry at Disney, so fantasizing how Disney will suffer, makes them feel better.

You can just say you have no idea what you're talking about. It's okay.

[numberthirty]

It's already a big deal.

Anyways, there doesn't appear to be a movie filling that hole GOTG3 left behind (whether the movie ever actually gets made or not).

No, it's really not.

A few "Comics" types being wound up about it doesn't really amount to an actual "Big Deal".

[Kevinroc]

No, it's really not.

A few "Comics" types being wound up about it doesn't really amount to an actual "Big Deal".

Did you learn nothing from what people told you yesterday?

[numberthirty]

Did you learn nothing from what people told you yesterday?

That some people believe that the bigger picture has changed?

Yeah, I caught that.

Doesn't really amount to much in the actual bigger picture.