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    Quote Originally Posted by kingaliencracker View Post
    Gunn apologized. Pretty sincerely, I think. I don't think it should cost him his livelihood.
    An apology is different than having spent a lot of the time since having tried to make amends in addition to the apology.

    Having just considered it settled while tearing into others for what you have decided is wrong is a play you should seriously consider before making it.

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    In the end Gunn spent alot of time on social media criticizing others and talking about the importance of words, you can't be out doing that and have disgusting stuff like this in your past and expect it not to come back to bite you.
    That suggests that because he did something in the past that means he's never allowed to change or live it down.

    Are people not allowed to change anymore, or is it that people can't say they're better when they did something stupid years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsubou View Post
    Yes, but not when you are going to make a couple of successful blockbuster films with a family-friendly company like Disney.
    They were aware of the jokes. He apologized for them, they accepted, and he made 2 GotG movies for them. Now some actual rapist and his army of MAGA chuds dug up this dirt which wasn't actually buried to begin with and Disney has to capitulate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coal Tiger View Post
    They were aware of the jokes. He apologized for them, they accepted, and he made 2 GotG movies for them. Now some actual rapist and his army of MAGA chuds dug up this dirt which wasn't actually buried to begin with and Disney has to capitulate.
    Wait...actual rapist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Vega View Post
    Wait...actual rapist?
    Go look up Mike Cernovich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan2099 View Post
    That suggests that because he did something in the past that means he's never allowed to change or live it down.

    Are people not allowed to change anymore, or is it that people can't say they're better when they did something stupid years ago?
    I completely agree that people can absolutely change and make amends for what they did in the past but that does not mean you escape consequences of your previous actions. Also I think the important thing about this situation is that If you want to criticize people for saying stupid things and not give any of them the benefit of the doubt because you disagree with them then you can't expect for them to offer the same to you. Gunn gets after people all the time online for saying stupid stuff( which is fine) however if someone he disliked made the comments that he did,there is no way based on how he handles things he would grant them a chance to explain things or play it off as a joke. If you want grace you gotta give grace, and Gunn has spent a lot of time condemning people and judging them for for saying dumb things, the standard he uses on others is the standard that should be used on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coal Tiger View Post
    Go look up Mike Cernovich.
    Well this got a whole lot stupider. Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by regg215 View Post
    I completely agree that people can absolutely change and make amends for what they did in the past but that does not mean you escape consequences of your previous actions. Also I think the important thing about this situation is that If you want to criticize people for saying stupid things and not give any of them the benefit of the doubt because you disagree with them then you can't expect for them to offer the same to you. Gunn gets after people all the time online for saying stupid stuff( which is fine) however if someone he disliked made the comments that he did,there is no way based on how he handles things he would grant them a chance to explain things or play it off as a joke. If you want grace you gotta give grace, and Gunn has spent a lot of time condemning people and judging them for for saying dumb things, the standard he uses on others is the standard that should be used on him.
    While I'd disagree with "Should", it's certainly more difficult to create a case for "It's not that simple..." when you have the entirety of how he has done things.

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    Now there's a mob forming over Jeph Loeb wearing a karate gi to promote Iron Fist. Outrage culture gets dumber.

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    Probably for the best he did a good job with GOG but vol 2 was all over the place and just didn't work for me let's see what the next guy can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immortal Weapon View Post
    Now there's a mob forming over Jeph Loeb wearing a karate gi to promote Iron Fist. Outrage culture gets dumber.
    Yes very dumber.

    So they rather wanted an Asian wearing a Karate gi?

    White people wore karate uniforms in karate classes, so it doesn't bother me.

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    Trump probably thinks the jokes are funny.

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    I completely agree that people can absolutely change and make amends for what they did in the past but that does not mean you escape consequences of your previous actions.
    The problem here is that all he did was say some stupid stuff years ago. It wasn't like he was promoting anything or trying to make a huge statement. he told some bad jokes. That was it. He told some bad jokes years ago.

    How do you make amends for that?

    I would think the fact that he stopped saying things like that and changed how he acted would be proof enough that he was doing the right thing. Why would you punish a person for something they stopped doing years ago? What lesson does that teach? You're not allowed to ever make mistakes at any point? Are we really asking people to go back every few years and apologize for anything they may have said in the past that was stupid or could have offend somebody? That just strikes me as being really sad.

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    Jeremy Renner says things almost as bad, and not as jokes, much more recently. There's a serious lack of consistency on Disney's part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan2099 View Post
    The problem here is that all he did was say some stupid stuff years ago. It wasn't like he was promoting anything or trying to make a huge statement. he told some bad jokes. That was it. He told some bad jokes years ago.

    How do you make amends for that?

    I would think the fact that he stopped saying things like that and changed how he acted would be proof enough that he was doing the right thing. Why would you punish a person for something they stopped doing years ago? What lesson does that teach? You're not allowed to ever make mistakes at any point? Are we really asking people to go back every few years and apologize for anything they may have said in the past that was stupid or could have offend somebody? That just strikes me as being really sad.
    It's not that he has to make amends it's that some things are beyond the realm of understanding and this is one of those things. The "jokes" he made are absolutely disgusting to the point that it is disturbing that anyone could have that thought occur to them let alone decide to share them with the world. I am not saying that he can't be a better person now but in all honesty some of this stuff is so disturbing that you can't ignore it. Making a dumb comment is one thing but this is at a different level of disgusting comments.People do say dumb, insensitive, thoughtless things but in all honesty I have a hard time believing that people say the disgusting things that he did here very often ( I certainly hope they don't). Losing your temper and saying something you regret is one thing but there were thousands of these tweets from a long period of time it's hard to believe that this was just some phase that he went through and makes it difficult to be lenient especially considering how judgemental and unforgiving gunn has been towards others who have made comments he disapproves of.
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