Uncanny..... what the heck has happened?

[BroHomo]

Yeah. Mystique often seems to get lots of passes from people when she's just as fucked up as Creed. Again, like Sabretooth -who wasn't supposed to be as evil as he became.

ehhhh When when did mystique lead/thoroughly enjoyed killing innocent defenseless morlocks with her bare hands??

Mystique casually abandoned Graydon as a hindrance when he turned out to be human. Then casually assassinated him because he helped hurt Destiny's family. She cares more about her lover's family than her own. lol

He was also killing a buncha mutants soooooo
We knew she preferred her found family.. she threw Kurt off a cliff and he looked just like her. In her twisted eyes Rogue was her daughter and likely saw rogue as the next step in her shape shifting....Rogue looks normal on the outside but she can be anyone she touches...not the outside shallow image but have their mind/ powers

Even Sabretooth respected him, and spared his life. Mystique did neither. What's that say about her when Sabretooth is the better parent? lol

ehh when the kids hellbent on genocide not much. Kinda unfair to compare the 2...was Sabretooth gonna haveto feed/ clothe/house the baby 24hrs No if you think Sabretooth woulda done anything other than eat the baby had he been in charge of its care your denial game is strong. At least Mystique didn't throw this one off a cliff....baby steps lol

I'd argue that X-23 shows that Wolverine is the better parent, even if he is a flawed one in terms of execution.

Can't forget Amiko, Jubilee, and Kitty. All daughter-figures he had.

Uh coming in when the kids a teenager is a lil different than raising it into adulthood. Having unprotected sex over decades and not worrying of those actions is gross and seriously negligent

Even in the midst of her time 'as a hero' we still got scenes like this,

This was after her sister detonated a bomb in a school full of children that killed one of frosts pupils had several more scattered around the school and threatening to expose the GenX team

and this:

That was a robot

Emma's just mean and sadistic at her core. Has been since day one.

Yes because having gone through what she did and not wanting her entire race to experience it is totally a Bitch move

In any case, her having her own school of Hellions and trying to take over the world through the enslavement of her fellow mutants was narratively more compelling than trying to be a "hero". I'm glad Marvel is repositioning both of them into their original molds.

she wasn't about enslaving them. She saw the writing on the wAll that humans would see mutants as a commodity and use them as such (Genosha mutates) she wanted a leg up and have mutants be the masters of their own destiny

[Silver Fang]

ehhhh When when did mystique lead/thoroughly enjoyed killing innocent defenseless morlocks with her bare hands??

Morlocks? Can't say.

But casually becoming a criminal in Japan's underworld, and murdering dozens of people under Sabretooth?
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She's done that. And she's not being forced to.

There's also the kidnapping of Kid Apo, mistreating him, and torturing him, then plotting to use him & Daken as a way of hurting Logan? She's done that with Sabretooth, in addition to snuggling & rolling around in bed with him while gushing about it, eating bloody meat, and sleeping with him again.
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Or shooting Logan in the head, and wanting to torture him before making out with Sabretooth as they revel over his mangle body.
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Then her sleeping with Logan under guise of his lover, videoing it, and sending it to said lover, while laughing about how she's not done screwing him. lol

You are the company you keep. Sabretooth is in fact a piece of crap. But Mystique is in love with him, and has gone along with some of his schemes. So what's that say about her? I don't think he's raping her, or forcing her to be with him. She just is. And some of her antics have put mutants & the world at risk just due to her own sadism, or pettiness.

There's also the end of Wolverines where she thinks she's gonna revive Destiny, and it turns out to be Logan because the world would end without a Wolverine. So she throws a hissy fit and decides she'd rather let the world end that comply with Destiny -since she's not getting her way.

He was also killing a buncha mutants soooooo
We knew she preferred her found family.. she threw Kurt off a cliff and he looked just like her. In her twisted eyes Rogue was her daughter and likely saw rogue as the next step in her shape shifting....Rogue looks normal on the outside but she can be anyone she touches...not the outside shallow image but have their mind/ powers
ehh when the kids hellbent on genocide not much. Kinda unfair to compare the 2...was Sabretooth gonna haveto feed/ clothe/house the baby 24hrs No if you think Sabretooth woulda done anything other than eat the baby had he been in charge of its care your denial game is strong. At least Mystique didn't throw this one off a cliff....baby steps lol

Well his mother didn't exactly give him the best view of mutants when she herself was prejudiced toward him, lied to him, mocked him when he found out the truth, and threw salt in the wound by adding the fact she also lied about his father.

I don't excuse Graydon's actions. Same way I don't excuse Mystique or Creed. All of them can have a Freudian Excuse for why they do what they do, or why they turned out as batshit insane as they did. And I think ALL of them could be more compelling with those things explore and capitalized on, instead of making them all parodies who do evil for the sake of evil, mwuhahahaha. And throwing in random disgusting crap because the writer can't do compelling villains. So just show them doing random nasty stuff to remind people they're evil / villains and move on. Anyway, when it comes to Mystique, she gets passes for anything nasty she's ever done. While Graydon, Creed, and even Wolverine get thrown under the bus. Mystique is not better than any of those three. Especially Logan. But it seems when it comes to female villains, they get passes of having no agency & all their evil is because of someone else. But the men can't use that excuse because it's a cop-out.

Uh coming in when the kids a teenager is a lil different than raising it into adulthood. Having unprotected sex over decades and not worrying of those actions is gross and seriously negligent

Where was it stated Mystique uses birth control? In fact, I recall a writer mentioning that she was raised Catholic, and still holds on to some of that, and thus she keeps having kids because Catholics don't believe in using birth control. Given the track record, writers aren't above retconning kids into her history. At this point, she's had babies with Azazel, Sabretooth, and Wolverine. And probably more coming. At the rate we're going, she'll end up with another baby with Creed. lol They're in an on-going title together now. May get more baby-action.

And she's a textbook abusive mother to Rogue as well. I don't care much for Logan, but any kids he bonded with, no matter their age, he loved and didn't manipulate, abuse, or mistreat. The same can't be said of Mystique. Even with people she loves, she's not capable of true loyalty to them. We see her defy Destiny's wishes in Wolverines. And she's sold Creed out on a couple of occasions. On the flip, the 3 other women we've seen Creed love, he was loyal to.

[Grim Ghost]

I literally stopped purchasing Marvel comics when Uncanny X-Men was canceled.

They took the adjective that has been associated to the X-Men for nearly 40 years and to prop up the Avengers, gave the Avengers the Uncanny moniker. I found this so disrespectful that I couldn't support this organization. Here's hoping that brighter days are coming

Uncanny X-Men should always be the core book, no if, ands or buts.

Jean
Cyclops
Storm
Wolverine

Everyone else should be interchangeable

And Professor X. Sorry to the haters but I really believe that. Otherwise I agree those 4 are pretty much essential.

[TheCape]

Anyway, when it comes to Mystique, she gets passes for anything nasty she's ever done. While Graydon, Creed, and even Wolverine get thrown under the bus.

Is because she is hot, yeah i know how it sounds, but for what i seem when you are a villain with a sympathetic backstory and phisically attractive, people tend to give then way too many passes to those characthers (Draco in Leather Pants), Creed isn't or at least that's the general perception.

I'm not saying that this is the case for everyone, i know that there are exceptions (i have the good fortune to meet some of those people), but people really got over board with the woobification (this last part migth also apply to certain heroes too BTW).

[Silver Fang]

Is because she is hot, yeah i know how it sounds, but for what i seem when you are a villain with a sympathetic backstory and phisically attractive, people tend to give then way too many passes to those characthers (Draco in Leather Pants), Creed isn't or at least that's the general perception.

I'm not saying that this is the case for everyone, i know that there are exceptions (i have the good fortune to meet some of those people), but people really got over board with the woobification (this last part migth also apply to certain heroes too BTW).

Believe me, I know about that. lol I got into the debate with a poster not long ago where they mention that Daken isn't as bad as Creed because he's not ugly. That was basically their premise. They ship Daken with heroes because he's hot & sexy. Meanwhile Creed is ugly, so he doesn't get a pass to be with a heroine. I'm a fan of Sabretooth, but don't consider him any better than any other villain. At that same time, I don't consider him too much worse either. He's done very disgusting things. But so have Mystique, Daken, and Deadpool. I think they're all horrible people. lol But they all have their redeeming qualities or moments.

Funny you bring this up though. I looked at the DILP page recently, and Daken was listed as an example. But underneath him, someone had the nerve to say Creed was a bigger offense. lol
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NO he is not. You'll find more people lusting for, and excusing Daken than Creed.
In the MU, Creed has been given no passes by anyone, But then again, they just stopped trying to make sense after ResurrXion. Prior to that, it was known that Creed was not trusted by anyone. He even says he works for Magneto because nobody else would have him.

[BroHomo]

Morlocks? Can't say.

But casually becoming a criminal in Japan's underworld, and murdering dozens of people under Sabretooth?
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She's done that. And she's not being forced to.

You mean the heads of illegal gang cartels??

There's also the kidnapping of Kid Apo, mistreating him, and torturing him, then plotting to use him & Daken as a way of hurting Logan? She's done that with Sabretooth, in addition to snuggling & rolling around in bed with him while gushing about it, eating bloody meat, and sleeping with him again.
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Or shooting Logan in the head, and wanting to torture him before making out with Sabretooth as they revel over his mangle body.
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Then her sleeping with Logan under guise of his lover, videoing it, and sending it to said lover, while laughing about how she's not done screwing him. lol

Okay....im still unable to see any deed on the same savagery of Creeds enthused participation in the massacre of the Morlocks

You are the company you keep. Sabretooth is in fact a piece of crap. But Mystique is in love with him, and has gone along with some of his schemes. So what's that say about her? I don't think he's raping her, or forcing her to be with him.

Well I doubt she's in love with him....and still she's never beenaround when Creed was at his worse

There's also the end of Wolverines where she thinks she's gonna revive Destiny, and it turns out to be Logan because the world would end without a Wolverine. So she throws a hissy fit and decides she'd rather let the world end that comply with Destiny -since she's not getting her way.

Stop a crazy person acts crazy while going through grief....doesnt seem any Big shock

Well his mother didn't exactly give him the best view of mutants when she herself was prejudiced toward him, lied to him, mocked him when he found out the truth, and threw salt in the wound by adding the fact she also lied about his father.

Weeeeeell she WAS raising him at some point. Cause abandoned him when she found out he wasn't a mutant. She left him at an orphanage and continued to keep tabs on him. I just cant see Sabes doing that

But it seems when it comes to female villains, they get passes of having no agency & all their evil is because of someone else. But the men can't use that excuse because it's a cop-out.

well Sabes and Son can't buuuuuuut Magneto? Yes

Where was it stated Mystique uses birth control? In fact, I recall a writer mentioning that she was raised Catholic, and still holds on to some of that, and thus she keeps having kids because Catholics don't believe in using birth control.

from her story about the birth of Kurt she's pro choice. Given her abilities it's safe to assume she can control getting pregnant/staying pregnant

Given the track record, writers aren't above retconning kids into her history. At this point, she's had babies with Azazel, Sabretooth, and Wolverine.

Wolverine?

At the rate we're going, she'll end up with another baby with Creed. lol They're in an on-going title together now. May get more baby-action.

she's had 3 so far.......

The same can't be said of Mystique. Even with people she loves, she's not capable of true loyalty to them. We see her defy Destiny's wishes in Wolverines. And she's sold Creed out on a couple of occasions. On the flip, the 3 other women we've seen Creed love, he was loyal to.

I mean he raped and killed women. Brutally slaughtered children Being loyal ain't gonna win him any BAE points

[Silver Fang]

You mean the heads of illegal gang cartels??

She wasn't killing them because they were criminals. She was getting them out of the way so she & Creed could take over. That's not noble lol That's evil screwing over more evil .

Okay....im still unable to see any deed on the same savagery of Creeds enthused participation in the massacre of the Morlocks

Point still stands. She's a psycho just like Creed is, and she's done things just as evil for the sake of it. Trying to quantify, imo is nitpicking.

Using less extreme examples. 2 men cheat on their wives.
1. Has more frequent flings with escorts.
2. Has had some longer term affairs behind his wife's back

In the end, both are unfaithful men who are deceiving their wives repeatedly, and aren't holding up their agreed vows. Both are untrustworthy & committed the same offense of infidelity, and put their wife at risk of STD. Trying to say "who cheated worse" is moot. Imo of course.

So if we were talking a thief is better than a rapist, I would agree 100% because there's no debate or comparison with a petty crime, vs. a traumatic victimization of a person, they puts them at risk of STI's and even causes physical trauma to their body -if they survive. But we're talking about two murders & rapists, with some trying to quantify the type of rape or cold murder. They both did them, and have shown a disregard for 'human' life, with some exceptions. So I never see the point in trying to argue "who did it worst" if they all did it.

Well I doubt she's in love with him....and still she's never been around when Creed was at his worse

She's still with him. And she's still done nasty things right along side him. And they are a couple. They're the Chucky & Tiffany of Marvel.

Her nickname for him is "My dearest." Then there's their "touching" couple moment in AXIS where she loving touches his face & thinks about how their first meeting involved them almost killing each other, then having sex. So as much as I hate the pairing, she's got some kind of feelings for him. Or at least, as much as she can have, since he's the one she always goes back to. And he's definitely in love with her.

But you won't see me campaigning for them. lol And I am all for the ship dying since it makes NO sense, but it's not going anywhere.

Stop a crazy person acts crazy while going through grief....doesnt seem any Big shock

Still crazy & evil, who would've let the world end when she doesn't get her way. Destroying everything she used to fight for, including her remaining kids.

Weeeeeell she WAS raising him at some point. Cause abandoned him when she found out he wasn't a mutant. She left him at an orphanage and continued to keep tabs on him. I just cant see Sabes doing that

She never raised him. She mentioned having a kid would cramp her style. She dropped him in the orphanage, kept an eye on him to see if he'd be of any use to her. But he was human, and her interest dropped to zero. So not a good mother who loves her kid. Then proceeded to taunt him when he learned the truth. With a mother like that, is it a wonder he's screwed up? I think even Wolverine made a comment that seems t hint he thinks her treatment of Graydon is what drove him off the edge. So whatever Freudian excuse you give Mystique, Magneto, or Emma, even some of what seem like the worst villains can still have them.

I mean he raped and killed women. Brutally slaughtered children Being loyal ain't gonna win him any BAE points[

So have Daken & Mystique. Both of them are rapists. And I think someone posted scans that depict Emma as one as well. Deadpool kept a blind old woman hostage in his house, and killed anyone who tried to help her, and threw her in a torture room if she ticked him off. Then brutally beat up his girlfriend, stalked her, and tried to kill her. Again, all these people are disgusting. lol Yet that's never stopped them from having relationships, and fans enjoying some of the ships they had.

[BroHomo]

What issues do Mystique taunt Graydon? It. Sounds. Hilarious.

[Havok83]

Sabretooth and Mystique are two sides of the same coin. I dont get why either is defended. Both are evil sacks of sh-t.

[Silver Fang]

What issues do Mystique taunt Graydon? It. Sounds. Hilarious.

It was a small deal in the Sabretooth mini series.

He sneaks away from the orphanage again to spy on her, and he sees her true form.
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[Nick Miller]

Yeah, not interested in this lineup, either. They're best spread out.

Not if you want to sell 75,000 copies

So uncanny is coming back and it will have the big 7 or 8, plus some kid sidekicks.

[Silver Fang]

Not if you want to sell 75,000 copies

So uncanny is coming back and it will have the big 7 or 8, plus some kid sidekicks.

This may be the team book Wolverine will be in. Granted they're gonna milk his return like crazy, but when he is finally back, I can see him going there. Makes the most sense.

[BroHomo]

Not if you want to sell 75,000 copies
.

imagine how many copies would be sold if there was genuine investments in chars people actually liked

[Triniking1234]

imagine how many copies would be sold if there was genuine investments in chars people actually liked

Like Wolverine.