Wonder Woman vs. Doomsday: Death of Superman: Major Disappointment

[brettc1]

Supes couldn’t even make Doomsday bleed once in this movie. He got one lucky killshot in to save the day but otherwise Doomsday totally owned him. Batman only irritated Doomsday, otherwise he was as useless here as he was in JL Dark.
Let it go guys. Everyone besides the Trinity jobbed far worse. I’m sure WW will be portrayed far better in her own solo if power levels are really something you care about.

Wow? Superman gets the crap beaten out of him and Wonder Woman wins because it is her movie?

I would pay to see that.

"If power levels are something you care about." LOL. Like Superman fans don't.

[RepHope]

Wow? Superman gets the crap beaten out of him and Wonder Woman wins because it is her movie?

I would pay to see that.

"If power levels are something you care about." LOL. Like Superman fans don't.

I don’t because I realize how worthless they are. It’s sad you still haven’t. You clearly have a bone to pick but you need to get over it. Batman beats up Superman when the plot requires it. WW does the same.

Until the final killing blow Supes does no better against Doomsday than WW. He was completely outclassed. If you have some dumb beef with Supes I don’t get why you’re mad, Doomsday tossing him around like a rag doll, the last couple minutes was basically torture porn of Supes get slapped and chocked out. He was getting the crap beat out of him, and even going all out he couldn’t draw blood.

[Killerbee911]

That is not the issue; the issue is WW should have been AT LEAST been able to do damage to Doomsday with her sword (or other magical weapons) before being taken out. WW's martial ability and her deadly weapons is what makes her supposedly "at par" with Superman. She's not stronger than him, not faster (at least in distance travel), and not as invulnerable. It's her skills in combination of her speed, strength an durability, and her deadly weapons. Negating her deadly weapons is like removing Superman's invulnerability. Even Batman managed to at least "peel off" some of DD's outfit with his bombs, but WW Tiara, Shield (maybe), bracelets and especially the sword have been known to cut invulnerable beings, krypotonians and GODS included. Superman and DD SHOULD be the one taking out each other in the end; no one is arguing about that; this was bad lip service to WW, but masked with great but "ineffective" scenes.

Superman got worked over just like Wonder Woman. They were on par in the movie. Wonder Woman look just effective as Supes you got the sense they were in same power bracket. The difference is twice Doomsday got distracted away from Superman by Lex and Lois.

Funny thing is ironically some Wonder Woman fans are doing the same Wonder Woman is superior thing to other characters(that normally happens Superman) as if no other character is worthy of being convo to do better. I already mention the Martian Manhunter jobbing but isn't MM in a strength class slight below Superman, also why he didn't get mental attack on Doomsday or use his phasing to hurt Doomsday. What about Flash & Green Lantern ,Shouldn't have Green Lantern done better as well ? One of the greatest scenes with flash in the JL cartoon is him running around world to hitting Lex Luthor where is my real flash moment in doomsday that truly display how strong flash is? Why didn't we get a Cyborg moment doing something? Why did Cyborg "Boom tube" Doomsday away from the city,etc.. It is freaking Justice League nobody is a scrub everyone is an "Elite" hero. Some Wonder Woman fans seem more concern at proving that she is equal powerhouse to Superman therefore need to a moment to confirm that in movie than understand context of the movie JL team gets smashed in, Superman gets smashed in but saves the day and dies.

Collectively as the OP mentioned it Justice League as unit should have done better and if was a different movie a justice league yes you have gotten those highlights but Wonder Woman was smacking around Doomsday and tanking blows just like Superman where everyone else just went out in basically one hit. I mean what else is needed really

[brettc1]

I don’t because I realize how worthless they are. It’s sad you still haven’t. You clearly have a bone to pick but you need to get over it. Batman beats up Superman when the plot requires it. WW does the same.

I apologize for being so sad. Now I feel healed. LOL

Batman beats up everyone, and anyone can beat up Superman with Kryptonite. But... the only story where Wonder Woman has definitely trashed Superman in a straight up slugging match would be the one where she also executes Max Lord, so it's a pyrrhic victory; and even now if you bring it up on the Superman boards I would be folding money you will have folks tell you he didn't really lose because he thought he was fighting Doomsday and that's a bigger opponent that's easier to hit blah blah blah...

Until the final killing blow Supes does no better against Doomsday than WW. He was completely outclassed. If you have some dumb beef with Supes I don’t get why you’re mad, Doomsday tossing him around like a rag doll, the last couple minutes was basically torture porn of Supes get slapped and chocked out. He was getting the crap beat out of him, and even going all out he couldn’t draw blood.

I've seen the movie, remember. Yes, Clark gets trashed, but he ALSO last for fifteen rounds with the beast, which means he is shown as being damn tough compared to Diana who is taken down in a fraction of the time. His final attack is against a Doomsday who is significantly stronger and more dangerous than the one Diana is fighting earlier and he breaks his neck. That and the fact that Diana tells him not to go back, indicating she wasn't, is a pretty telling statement of where the movie is showing their respective power levels.

It's not like it's the first time this has happened in the last twelve months. After a strong showing in BVS where she goes toe to toe with Doomsday, Superman beats her with one hand in JL. It's not surprising to me you don't see the problem - your avatar is of the guy who has has been written holding up the planet for five days.

Also, I'm not sure Doomsday even can be be made to bleed.

[brettc1]

Superman got worked over just like Wonder Woman. They were on par in the movie. Wonder Woman look just effective as Supes you got the sense they were in same power bracket. The difference is twice Doomsday got distracted away from Superman by Lex and Lois.

Funny thing is ironically some Wonder Woman fans are doing the same Wonder Woman is superior thing to other characters(that normally happens Superman) as if no other character is worthy of being convo to do better. I already mention the Martian Manhunter jobbing but isn't MM in a strength class slight below Superman, also why he didn't get mental attack on Doomsday or use his phasing to hurt Doomsday. What about Flash & Green Lantern ,Shouldn't have Green Lantern done better as well ? One of the greatest scenes with flash in the JL cartoon is him running around world to hitting Lex Luthor where is my real flash moment in doomsday that truly display how strong flash is? Why didn't we get a Cyborg moment doing something? Why did Cyborg "Boom tube" Doomsday away from the city,etc.. It is freaking Justice League nobody is a scrub everyone is an "Elite" hero. Some Wonder Woman fans seem more concern at proving that she is equal powerhouse to Superman therefore need to a moment to confirm that in movie than understand context of the movie JL team gets smashed in, Superman gets smashed in but saves the day and dies.

Collectively as the OP mentioned it Justice League as unit should have done better and if was a different movie a justice league yes you have gotten those highlights but Wonder Woman was smacking around Doomsday and tanking blows just like Superman where everyone else just went out in basically one hit. I mean what else is needed really

If you want to complain about Lantern and Flash getting jobbed, I'll support you on their boards.

If only we could prove she is equal to Superman. But DC constantly seems to not want that to be so.

There is no way Diana looks as effective as Clark. Even with the distractions mentioned he takes three times as many hits as Diana and keeps going while she passes out.

[Killerbee911]

If you want to complain about Lantern and Flash getting jobbed, I'll support you on their boards.

If only we could prove she is equal to Superman. But DC constantly seems to not want that to be so.

There is no way Diana looks as effective as Clark. Even with the distractions mentioned he takes three times as many hits as Diana and keeps going while she passes out.

You keep missing that is a SUPERMAN movie based on one of the most classic stories in comics. The job of it is to highlight Superman, I mean how does Wonder Woman get cover in rocks? How did she arrive to fight? How did initial fight with Doomsday and her go? You can't answer because it is not a justice league movie and they don't care about showing every detail of Wonder Woman fighting. Superman took three times as many hits because the movie is focused on him.


She is only person other than Superman to get up from hits from Doomsday. She was smacking around Doomsday just like Superman, She was very much Superman equal. Wonder Woman didn't look bad. Anyways here you have Wonder Woman in the same universe stabbing Darkseid in the eye and stopping omega beam.Taking onslaught hits from Darkseid and getting up back up.



There is no conspiracy to show Wonder Woman weaker than Superman but we see how,Justice League working to together looks in Justice League movie looks,Compared to Justice League attacking one by one in a Superman movie (which is adaptation of story that has no Big gun Justice League around and Superman is by himself).Different stories had to be told and the movies are focus on different things. If you want to know where your big Wonder Woman feat showing that she is equal of Superman it happened before She was cover in rocks and we didn't get to see it.

[Shadowedeyes]

If it didn't happen on screen it's not really much of a feat.

As for the rest of the league, Lantern got jobbed hard, Flash was doing fine until the usual "he gets hit even though he is so much faster than his opponent he shouldn't", and Manhunter got taken out by fire, so we don't really know how he would have faired otherwise.

[RepHope]

I apologize for being so sad. Now I feel healed. LOL

Batman beats up everyone, and anyone can beat up Superman with Kryptonite. But... the only story where Wonder Woman has definitely trashed Superman in a straight up slugging match would be the one where she also executes Max Lord, so it's a pyrrhic victory; and even now if you bring it up on the Superman boards I would be folding money you will have folks tell you he didn't really lose because he thought he was fighting Doomsday and that's a bigger opponent that's easier to hit blah blah blah...



I've seen the movie, remember. Yes, Clark gets trashed, but he ALSO last for fifteen rounds with the beast, which means he is shown as being damn tough compared to Diana who is taken down in a fraction of the time. His final attack is against a Doomsday who is significantly stronger and more dangerous than the one Diana is fighting earlier and he breaks his neck. That and the fact that Diana tells him not to go back, indicating she wasn't, is a pretty telling statement of where the movie is showing their respective power levels.

It's not like it's the first time this has happened in the last twelve months. After a strong showing in BVS where she goes toe to toe with Doomsday, Superman beats her with one hand in JL. It's not surprising to me you don't see the problem - your avatar is of the guy who has has been written holding up the planet for five days.

Also, I'm not sure Doomsday even can be be made to bleed.

I am all too aware of the problems with JL, and if your biggest problem with that movie was Superman I really question whether you’re a fan of WW at all. Was Supes too OP? Yep, but WW turning her back on humanity because her boyfriend died should’ve been a bigger sore point than “waaaaah why can’t she solo Steppenwolf too?” Doomsday bleeds in DoS, why don’t you actually go read it? The fact that some writer writes Superman accomplishing some feat means nothing and you know why? Because he still jobs when the story requires it. He jobs to Killer Frost in JL vs. SS. He jobs to Rogal Zaar. He and the entire League jobbed to Gotham, a guy who came out of NOWHERE in King's Batman run. He jobs to Zod. He jobs to Batman, Supes beats Lex Luthor who is an egotistical billionaire in a power suit with the power of prep time, he should not job to Batman so easily but he does.

And it’s funny that you call out my avatar because my avatar is from before Johns reupped his power level, when he was at his weakest. You’ve turned this whole thread into one big whining about Supes. A look at your history tells me you’re a Marvel fanboy, and a Black Panther fanboy no less lmao. I bet you don’t have any complaints about Silver Surfer jobbing to BP, or when Ewing had BP beat up cosmic entities.

And one last thing: Hulk in the Avengers movie cheap shots Thor and makes Loki the main antagonist of the movie look like a joke, similar to what Supes does to Steppenwolf. So why does Hulk not get complaints for being “too OP”? Because Avengers was still good while JL was not. If Supes had never showed up it still would’ve been a terrible movie. Steppenwolf was a loser, Affleck didn’t want to be there, even Gadot came off stiffer than she was with Jenkins, and Gadot was still one of the better parts of JL. Was the way they handled Supes bad? Sure, but that movie was trash long before he showed up.

[brettc1]

You keep missing that is a SUPERMAN movie based on one of the most classic stories in comics. The job of it is to highlight Superman, I mean how does Wonder Woman get cover in rocks? How did she arrive to fight? How did initial fight with Doomsday and her go? You can't answer because it is not a justice league movie and they don't care about showing every detail of Wonder Woman fighting. Superman took three times as many hits because the movie is focused on him.

You keep missing the idea that if it's a Superman movie then Wonder Woman doesn't have to be in it.

That way she doesn't have to be jobbed to make the story work.

[Shockingjustice]

I feel like Wonder Woman was fine in this movie. If anything this film gives another reason as to why the Justice League is a terrible team. Honestly they should have just left them out.

[brettc1]

And one last thing: Hulk in the Avengers movie cheap shots Thor and makes Loki the main antagonist of the movie look like a joke, similar to what Supes does to Steppenwolf. So why does Hulk not get complaints for being “too OP”? Because Avengers was still good while JL was not. If Supes had never showed up it still would’ve been a terrible movie. Steppenwolf was a loser, Affleck didn’t want to be there, even Gadot came off stiffer than she was with Jenkins, and Gadot was still one of the better parts of JL. Was the way they handled Supes bad? Sure, but that movie was trash long before he showed up.

Because the Thor scene was played for laughs and we had already seen Thor trash Loki solo in the Thunder Gods own movie. Earlier Loki held his own but only with Thanos' staff, which he doesn't have when he faces the Hulk. Factor in that Hulk doesnt beat up the whole Avengers team earlier and doesn't play a part in shutting down the portal and your point has pretty much evaporated.

[Sacred Knight]

There is no conspiracy to show Wonder Woman weaker than Superman...

Of course there isn't. She just, albiet outside of the original intent, for the vast majority of her history has been and still is physically not as strong as Superman. Acknowledging it where it makes sense to acknowledge it isn't a conspiracy. Nor is it necessarily an insult, considering every hero in the DC verse is physically weaker than Superman outside of the occasional platitude to get try and get someone else over, which frankly I find more insulting as that's basically the first sign to me that said character isn't well-dimensioned if you have to go to that well to try and get them over.

At the end of the day though, the story works best if none of the League is involved. Hence why they weren't in the original tale. But its an adaptation of a monotonous tale they've told too many times already and they did it a big differently. I don't consider it much more than that.

[Pinsir]

Honestly, I was expecting a film where Batman kills Doomsday as those animated movie people are batphiles. Its a Superman story people, Superman is obviously going to be the main character.

[rpmaluki]

I feel like Wonder Woman was fine in this movie. If anything this film gives another reason as to why the Justice League is a terrible team. Honestly they should have just left them out.

This is my general feeling honestly. I prefer these particular heroes in solos more than a team.

[RepHope]

This is my general feeling honestly. I prefer these particular heroes in solos more than a team.

The cartoon series handled them all fine. Snyder just made a lot of terrible creative decisions that Whedon tried to paint over with little success.