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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    I could get behind the idea of a street level team depending on the creative team and line up. However, the OP's idea probably only works as a quasi-team up book. The core of the title could be Batman, Green Arrow, and Black Lightning...or Green Arrow, Blue Beetle, and Batwoman...or whoever. Then every couple of issues guest stars rotate in and out of the arc.

    So the three main heroes take on a case and during the arc they meet up with two or three other heroes. That way depending on the story, you can include anyone from the Creeper, to Wildcat, to Manhunter.
    That's a pretty solid idea!
    Like Morrison's take on the JLA - a rotating chair(s) when specialists are required.
    I also like the idea of a covert super-hero group running missions alongside & against people like Checkmate and ARGUS etc.

    A covert group who actually DO get things done on the down low without the Big Guns or the collateral damage.
    Got an alien invasion? Call the JLA. Got a dodgy Middle Eastern terrorist cell looking to purchase 'dirty' metahuman suicide bombers? Call these guys
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    I would be very open to this, to be honest. A street-level team that is truly street level. A team that is more community based. A superhero team that is more down to earth than the Justice League or the Titans. They would be a team that is super convenient for citizens. I honestly don't know what I would name the team but it would be a street-level branch of the Justice League.

    Roster would include:

    Arsenal, Vic Sage, Creeper, Manhunter (Kate Spencer), Elongated Man, Bronze Tiger and Zinda Blake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyvolt2000 View Post
    All his name does is make sure that book gets on the shelf at certain stores who would take issue with the rest of the roster.

    Believe it or not there are folks who are NOT interested in Batman. I got stores with TONS of Batman lead stuff that nobody wanted. And even owners saying 'ENOUGH WITH BATMAN."

    And NO WAY Batman takes a back seat to anyone else on that team. Everybody knows that and would have no interest in seeing that.

    Sooner or later all these books have to learn to succeed without BATMAN.
    Good God are you obsessed with Batman? You literally post the exact same thing everytime someone dares suggest that yes Batman is indeed popular. Your little anecdotal evidence isn't proof of anything. It's like saying "I know plenty of people who didn't watch the Super Bowl, see that means NOBODY likes it!" I don't see you ever post how not everyone loves Spider-Man, Wolverine or any other popular Marvel hero when someone mentions that they help sell comics. Enough. We get it not every human being on the planet Earth is a fan of Batman. Give it a rest.

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    A street level DC team would probably have a nightwing or batwoman (or Batman) for a seller member, then the rest would be street level characters that all cover separate grounds. Black canary could be a fighter for important targets, nightwing and/or batwoman (or Batman) would be there as selling points and just fighters for whatever the story needs, ted kord could be a gadget dude, green arrow could be someone for support at ranges, and maybe have wildcat for extra fighting skills. That would be interesting...

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    Not only would this comic probably sell, but the street-level characters just shouldn't be placed on teams where the other members are far more powerful than they are. This is the right place for them, fighting street-level menaces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trey Strain View Post
    Not only would this comic probably sell, but the street-level characters just shouldn't be placed on teams where the other members are far more powerful than they are. This is the right place for them, fighting street-level menaces.
    You just don't understand the superhero genre.
    Are you really saying Captain America shouldn't be in the Avengers and Wolverine not in the X-Men?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    I could get behind the idea of a street level team depending on the creative team and line up. However, the OP's idea probably only works as a quasi-team up book. The core of the title could be Batman, Green Arrow, and Black Lightning...or Green Arrow, Blue Beetle, and Batwoman...or whoever. Then every couple of issues guest stars rotate in and out of the arc.

    So the three main heroes take on a case and during the arc they meet up with two or three other heroes. That way depending on the story, you can include anyone from the Creeper, to Wildcat, to Manhunter.
    I really like that idea. Especially having a core of Batman, Green Arrow, and Black Lightning.Three heroes who I love and would really dig seeing in a book together on a regular basis.
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    Justice League doesn't need Batman. Just put him here, where he'd move the needle.

    (For that matter, Justice League doesn't need Wonder Woman either. Just put her in JSA, where she might move the needle. With Superman, Flash, John Stewart and a few others, Justice League would do fine.)

    You guys who like this idea of a street-level title -- any suggestions about who should write it to begin with?

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    In the timeless words of Dick Grayson - "F*ck Batman".

    However I'd gladly read a team book fronted by Green Arrow or Black Canary (but not both).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trey Strain View Post
    Not only would this comic probably sell, but the street-level characters just shouldn't be placed on teams where the other members are far more powerful than they are. This is the right place for them, fighting street-level menaces.
    A good mix of street-level and superpowered characters is a hallmark of comics and I think it works well, especially for those epic “David and Goliath” moments.

    Besides, some teams are based on the relationships between characters and not always coordinated or strategized around the powers of the members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WonderScott View Post
    Besides, some teams are based on the relationships between characters and not always coordinated or strategized around the powers of the members.
    I'd go even further: every good team is built around the relationships between the characters. Sometimes this can be extreme dysfunctionality, but the entire allure of doing teams in fiction is that you can write stories about the team dynamics and character relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WonderScott View Post
    A good mix of street-level and superpowered characters is a hallmark of comics and I think it works well, especially for those epic “David and Goliath” moments.

    Besides, some teams are based on the relationships between characters and not always coordinated or strategized around the powers of the members.
    This is not a Justice League B title. Those have flopped every time they've been tried. This is something different.

    This is product positioning, which is vital in such a competitive market.

    The Justice League can fight cosmic menaces. Meanwhile, this is a team with street-level powers, to fight street-level menaces. It will produce very different stories than you see in Justice League. That's a good thing.

    "But Hal and Ollie have been friends since 1972 because Dennis O'Neil said they were, so they belong in the same comic" is not a reason to put Ollie in a comic with Hal in 2018.

    There's nothing to be gained by putting street-level characters in the Justice League. But there is something to be gained by putting them in this comic. DC might then have a success on its hands.

    The characters will have relationships with each other here. They don't need to have relationships with the Justice League characters too. They won't have time for that. They'll be busy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJNeal View Post
    In the timeless words of Dick Grayson - "F*ck Batman".

    However I'd gladly read a team book fronted by Green Arrow or Black Canary (but not both).
    Batman would help sell the comic. Nobody should assume that it would sell without him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trey Strain View Post
    Batman would help sell the comic. Nobody should assume that it would sell without him.
    Unfortunately, you are correct. Batman is the *only* character in DC's stable that guarantees long-term, strong sales.


    Just because something is factual doesn't mean I have to like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trey Strain View Post
    Batman would help sell the comic. Nobody should assume that it would sell without him.
    Batman gets you book ORDERED not sold.

    Lets know the difference.

    We have how many books selling without Batman???

    We have how many trades selling without Batman??

    We have how many tv shows without Batman?

    Where is this billion dollar movie starring Batman? I didn't see Batman in Wakanda.


    He gets you books in the store and libraries. It does not mean he will get folks reading the book.

    Batman is why DC is the state that it is now. Just toss him in-instead of making your creative teams and ESPECIALLY your editors work to build up others. Because everyone else is giving you variety but here.

    Make these guys SELL on their own. A ton of Batman lead books don't help in the long run.

    He can't be Static or Superman or WW or Hal or Barry or Young Justice. They ALL have to stand on their own.

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