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    Default Is there anything from your own political party or side that you disagree with?

    For the left-leaning people on this site: What are things from Liberals or the Left that you disagree with (other than the obvious Communist/Stalinist/Maoist BS)?

    For the right-leaning people on this site: What are things from Conservatives or the Right that you disagree with (other than the obvious Alt-Right/Nazi/KKK BS)?

    Which side do more people on this site lean towards? Left-Wing? Right-Wing? Centre? Give me your reasons why. Thank you.

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    I don't have a party. I disagree with conservatives' insistence that aristocratic wealth is earned and its dismissal of poverty as evolutionarily wise response to a character flaw. At the same time, I diagree with liberals' insistence that failure is always a function of a game rigged by capitalism, and that patriarchal western civilization is the source of all evils and inequities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Fomble View Post
    For the left-leaning people on this site: What are things from Liberals or the Left that you disagree with (other than the obvious Communist/Stalinist/Maoist BS)?

    For the right-leaning people on this site: What are things from Conservatives or the Right that you disagree with (other than the obvious Alt-Right/Nazi/KKK BS)?

    Which side do more people on this site lean towards? Left-Wing? Right-Wing? Centre? Give me your reasons why. Thank you.
    I'm a liberal but I disagree with some of the things Democrats do if only because it makes them be received as cartoonish and trivial. Gay rights yes. "Choose your own gender bathrooms" no.

    On a more serious level, I think there's a tendency to just assume groups like the police and sometimes the school systems are in the wrong without having a clue yet what happened, what the evidence is.

    But compared to the threat to social security, the economy, the environment and decades of rights that have slowly built up in this nation, Conservatives are overwhelmingly more of a threat.
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    I'm left of centre. There are certain things I disagree with in my political sphere.

    Race relations would be a primary one, particularly concerning an increased over-emphasis on racial identity over national and cultural identity and race being presented as an increasingly defining trait instead of being a part of a whole. I would also say affirmative action being enacted, sans any situation specific examples of racial bias, seems like a double edged sword that's creating racial preference in an otherwise open job market, though some companies I've heard will negate any gender/ racial identifiers on resumes to avoid any accusations of bias.

    Demonizing the opposition, while not inherent strictly to the left, is something that's gotten worse from that sphere in recent years, in my view, taking things out of context, damning people by association, talking over people instead of to people. This divisive attempt at monopolizing public discourse and the resentment it fosters I would say played a key role in certain recent political outcomes disadvantageous to left-wing principles retaining prevalence in the west.


    In terms of culture, there's an inability to recognize the safety and comfort a protected, secured border nation state provides, as well as the need for a certain level of cultural assimilation in regards to immigration to circumvent dangerous cultural clashes.


    Trying to minimize and excuse crime statistics when they aren't favorable to particular demographics is something I've noticed as well, wherein fully acknowledging the extent of the contributing factors for given crime stats and working on community based solutions in the long term isn't something I'm seeing legitimate progress with, though I'm happy to hear good examples of progress being made. These crime statistics, something I've noticed is demographics with a larger percentage of strong family units, 2 parent households, tend to be less represented. Which, 2 parent households should get at least as much encouragement from mainstream media as single parent, if not moreso. Though the opposite seems to be the trend.


    Those would be the gripes and musings on them that come to mind from my end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsubou View Post
    I believe that some of the illegal immigrants are leeching off the welfare all paid by taxpayer dime.
    Don't forget that some non-immigrants also leech of it, and that illegal immigrants still are taxpayers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsubou View Post
    I don't consider my self conservative or liberal. I may not even be a moderate.

    I am totally against illegal immigration, although I don't think the government should make the visas too difficult for poor immigrants to obtain. I believe that some of the illegal immigrants are leeching off the welfare all paid by taxpayer dime.

    I believe it is necessary to regulate and restrict, if not eliminate, gun ownership rights.

    But I do support abortion (liberal position) and death penalty (conservative position). I also support separation between church and state. I am totally in favor of decriminalization and legalization of marijuana. I think the government should also legalize medical and recreational marijuana.

    Why should the death row inmates, who remorselessly took innocent lives, be entitled to free things like 3 meals a day, housing and even medical care for at least 10 years before going to the electric chair, gas chamber or the needle?

    I am not in favor of welfare benefits and food stamps especially when the welfare recipients are too lazy to work and earn money. I support welfare only if the recipients are able to pay back what they owe the taxpayers.
    If you're neither conservative, liberal, nor even moderate. What do you even consider yourself on the political spectrum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsubou View Post
    Why should the death row inmates, who remorselessly took innocent lives...
    They generally aren't remorseless, and disturbingly often not even actually guilty.

    Also, they're people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsubou View Post
    I don't consider my self conservative or liberal. I may not even be a moderate.

    I am totally against illegal immigration, although I don't think the government should make the visas too difficult for poor immigrants to obtain. I believe that some of the illegal immigrants are leeching off the welfare all paid by taxpayer dime.

    I believe it is necessary to regulate and restrict, if not eliminate, gun ownership rights.

    But I do support abortion (liberal position) and death penalty (conservative position). I also support separation between church and state. I am totally in favor of decriminalization and legalization of marijuana. I think the government should also legalize medical and recreational marijuana.

    Why should the death row inmates, who remorselessly took innocent lives, be entitled to free things like 3 meals a day, housing and even medical care for at least 10 years before going to the electric chair, gas chamber or the needle?

    I am not in favor of welfare benefits and food stamps especially when the welfare recipients are too lazy to work and earn money. I support welfare only if the recipients are able to pay back what they owe the taxpayers.

    This aligns pretty well with my positions and I'm left leaning but near the centre according to the existing political compass tests I've taken as well by my own estimation. I do have a higher benchmark for executions, someone who's shown they are adept at escaping confinement to murder, like Ted Bundy or a dangerous thought leader for murderers like Bin Laden or dictator like Hussein, I'm good with receiving an execution from the state to ensure others safety, but generally I think it's crueller and thereby preferable to keep abhorrent criminals jailed for life. As well, I think it's preferable to perform abortions within the first trimester if required, so there is as little of a human being formed as possible. The dichotomy of one exercise over the cessation of life being a left wing issue and the other being right wing is something I find a bit absurd, quite frankly. There's degrees, there's context or shades of grey informing when, how and why these practices should take place that's above a left/ right dichotomy.


    I would guess you're near the centre with some libertarian views, fiscally conservative, touch of nationalism, some socialist leanings.


    I would recommend taking one or more political compass tests if your looking to gain perspective on where you may specifically, most closely align politically

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    I lean more towards the right. I wrote this elsewhere about my political beliefs, but on fiscal issues, I think the government should spend money efficiently, in contrast to libertarians who think there should be no role for government, as well as the big government types and redistributionists (the latter category includes many social conservatives who want government subsidies in order to maintain an inefficient rural way of life).

    Socially, I do believe that certain things that are currently illegal should be allowed to consenting adults. I am pro-life, although I think certain steps should be taken to significantly reduce the numbers of unwanted pregnancies before outlawing abortion becomes a workable policy, if ever. I think gay marriage should be legal, but individuals who do not support it should not face fines/ jail time/ civil lawsuits if they don’t want to participate. I think immigration reform is necessary. I don’t believe people who have come to this country illegally should be deported, but they’re not entitled to full citizenship. I’d prefer some middle ground where they don’t get voting rights or various entitlements. Legal immigration should be determined by the country’s need, although I think the numbers of people we accept should be higher.

    I think capitalism and cheap energy have done more to lift billions out of poverty and improve the quality of life than all the labor unions in the world. I’m cautious about raising or lowering the minimum wage. I’d favor Earned Income Tax Credits as a way to provide more money to people with greater need/ dependents. I am concerned about public sector unions, as the government does not have sufficient incentives to control costs. I think linking health insurance to jobs has been a disaster since it makes it harder for people to move/ change employers. The ACA, or whatever replaces it, should offer more bare minimum plans as a way to lower costs, and should raise costs for older Americans, who have more need for medical procedures. I think tort reform is necessary. A system where the loser of a civil suit pays the expenses of the winner will avoid frivolous lawsuits. I support the death penalty, although I don’t care that much about various aspects that make it more palatable to the average American (IE- lethal injection VS firing squad.)

    I have a low tolerance for bullshit, hence my concerns about political correctness. I prefer to have discussions about the least popular aspects of someone’s political beliefs. Social conservatives should explain why they want policies that make premarital sex riskier. Supporters of affirmative action should explain why they want less Asian Americans in selective schools.

    As for where I disagree with my party/ side, I'll try to avoid the cheap answer of saying when the party hasn't gone far enough (IE- the equivalent of a liberal who thinks the biggest problem Democrats have is that they haven't announced that all cops are bastards) or when they haven't been consistent in conservative policies.

    Conservatives have tended to advocate for the free market, but they don't realize there are going to be losers and there should be some kind of explicit policies to help them out. They don't often realize that if something creates 1,000 net jobs it's not automatically a matter of 1,000 people being better off. It could be that 4,000 people in one place gained jobs, and 3,000 lost them somewhere else.

    There are times when policies have adverse effects, and when a desire to incentivize proper behavior comes across as cruel, and provide resources to places that don't need them. A regulation on the amount of money people could take per day on welfare leads to banks collecting more fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsubou View Post
    I don't consider my self conservative or liberal. I may not even be a moderate.
    LOL, what the hell does that even MEAN?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncanny Mutie View Post
    LOL, what the hell does that even MEAN?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerboy View Post

    But compared to the threat to social security, the economy, the environment and decades of rights that have slowly built up in this nation, Conservatives are overwhelmingly more of a threat.
    Which is why people are scared to criticize the ineptitude of the democratic party (for whatever reason, and i do have mine), cause the alternative is seen as terrifyingly WORSE.
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    I'm pretty far left on almost every subject.

    Welfare is something that I think we need to take a look at as far as the number of people who are blatantly leeching off the system. I do realize, however, that the amount of money 'wasted' on people who are taking advantage of these social programs is dwarfed by how much we spend on corporate welfare and unnecessary military pork. Even so, I wouldn't be opposed to certain measures which weeded out the laziest among welfare recipients, even going so far as removing children from them until they get their act together. I would also support extra funding for programs which helped to educate and/or provide resources to programs that would help welfare recipients become more employable.
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    I'm on the left and I mostly disagree with "they go low, we go high." I don't think it works in the age of FoxNews.
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