Is there anything from your own political party or side that you disagree with?

[numberthirty]

There's also more stuff I will try to post links to when I get home and sleep a bit. I'm on break and have worked nearly a full week of 12 hour days currently.

The US citizen who was held for over a year.

The person ICE tried to deport before a hearing, resulting in the judge threatening to hold Jeff Sessions personally in contempt.

The person who they forged a document for claiming that he agreed to be deported. Except the date was before the document was in official use. This one happened under Obama so I think it is ICE more than Trump, although he is a problem too.

Inventing gangs to claim people belong to so they can be deported.

Grabbing lawful permanent residents for decades old misdemeanors.

ICE is full.of bad actors and looks to be beyond saving the more you hear about it.

At the very least, you can make a perfectly reasonable case for starting over with some of the responsibilities split up to make oversight of the new, smaller outfits a more realistic possibility.

[superduperman]

Okay, but they also have this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/u...r-stories.html

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/wh...d-sexual-abuse

ICE needs to torn out, root and branch, because it's been infiltrated top to bottom with white supremacists and people who want to prey on the most vulnerable.

But that's true of our entire law enforcement apparatus at this point.

I agree. But no one is saying "cops are corrupt so let's get rid of the entire concept of a police force". There definitely needs to be some house cleaning. I wouldn't mind mass firings and replacements but that's a lot different than getting rid of the entire agency.

[superduperman]

There's also more stuff I will try to post links to when I get home and sleep a bit. I'm on break and have worked nearly a full week of 12 hour days currently.

The US citizen who was held for over a year.

The person ICE tried to deport before a hearing, resulting in the judge threatening to hold Jeff Sessions personally in contempt.

The person who they forged a document for claiming that he agreed to be deported. Except the date was before the document was in official use. This one happened under Obama so I think it is ICE more than Trump, although he is a problem too.

Inventing gangs to claim people belong to so they can be deported.

Grabbing lawful permanent residents for decades old misdemeanors.

ICE is full.of bad actors and looks to be beyond saving the more you hear about it.

Replacing it with a different agency that has a lot stricter standards is a good idea but that's not the argument I'm hearing. I'm just hearing "Let's get rid of it" with no alternative in place. I think that's a bad idea. If we are going to argue ICE is broken, and it no doubt is, then let's make THAT case instead and use that as an open door to suggesting a replacement agency.

[Gray Lensman]

Replacing it with a different agency that has a lot stricter standards is a good idea but that's not the argument I'm hearing. I'm just hearing "Let's get rid of it" with no alternative in place. I think that's a bad idea. If we are going to argue ICE is broken, and it no doubt is, then let's make THAT case instead and use that as an open door to suggesting a replacement agency.

The mission used to be part of INS, which ceased to exist once Homeland Security was created. We might want to go back to that since ICE itself seems to have lost focus on what it was created for.

https://qz.com/1316098/what-is-ice-s...s-enforcement/

[Gray Lensman]

ICE detains US citizen caught in New York for 3 years, releases him in Alabama with no money. Court rules he is due no compensation because the statute of limitations expired while he was languishing n a cell.

A different US citizen held for 3 years. Actually, that's not completely true.. 3 and a half years.

This is also exacerbated by the policy that as non-citizens, people detained by ICE don't have any right to due process. Another thing that needs to be addressed - due process is for everyone, because once you allow a category of people who don't get it, it becomes easier to make a second one.

[Gray Lensman]

US (In)Justice Department attempts to deport woman and daughter during court proceedings - judge threatens to hold Sessions personally in contempt.

ICE detains Polish doctor for 26 year old misdemeanors.

[Silvermoth]

I’m a leftie but I must admit, I wish people on the left wouldn’t go after Israel the way they do. More than a few cross the line from “let’s have a honest discussion about Palestine and solidarity” and it becomes y’know, the Jews are responsible for yada yada yada

[Adrian Fomble]

I’m a leftie but I must admit, I wish people on the left wouldn’t go after Israel the way they do. More than a few cross the line from “let’s have a honest discussion about Palestine and solidarity” and it becomes y’know, the Jews are responsible for yada yada yada

It appears that Left-Wing Semitism is a thing after all.

[4saken1]

It appears that Left-Wing Semitism is a thing after all.

Antisemitism is hatred of Jews and has nothing to do with liberals' frustration of the policies of the Israeli government.

[Silvermoth]

It appears that Left-Wing Semitism is a thing after all.

There are plenty of Jewish socialists. Unfortunately, there’s also plenty of anti Semitism on the left.

[Starter Set]

Antisemitism is hatred of Jews and has nothing to do with liberals' frustration of the policies of the Israeli government.

Indeed. But it's just so more easy to call antisemitism on anyone who disagrees with Israel's actions than to actually face the reality of the crimes and humiliations inflicted on the Palestinians every single day.

[4saken1]

Indeed. But it's just so more easy to call antisemitism on anyone who disagrees with Israel's actions than to actually face the reality of the crimes and humiliations inflicted on the Palestinians every single day.

Exactly! From what I understand, about half the Jewish population of Israel disagrees with what their own government is doing wrt Gaza. Are they anti-Semites too?

[Adrian Fomble]

Indeed. But it's just so more easy to call antisemitism on anyone who disagrees with Israel's actions than to actually face the reality of the crimes and humiliations inflicted on the Palestinians every single day.

Yeah but wasn't Israel originally designed to be a homeland for the Jews after atrocities like the Holocaust occurred? And what about the two-state solution?

[Carabas]

Yeah but wasn't Israel originally designed to be a homeland for the Jews after atrocities like the Holocaust occurred?

Not by the people already living there, no.

And what about the two-state solution?

Israel wiped its arse with it.

[DrNewGod]

Indeed. But it's just so more easy to call antisemitism on anyone who disagrees with Israel's actions than to actually face the reality of the crimes and humiliations inflicted on the Palestinians every single day.

Boom! Real Talk Truth Sledgehammer!

My compliments.