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    The Republican controlled Judicial Committee could still send Kavanugh on his way to a full vote, but by now, can they be sure that they have enough votes to get him confirmed? The last thing that Republicans up for re-election want is a controversial hot potato. It becomes a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    The Republican controlled Judicial Committee could still send Kavanugh on his way to a full vote, but by now, can they be sure that they have enough votes to get him confirmed? The last thing that Republicans up for re-election want is a controversial hot potato. It becomes a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation.
    "Voted for an attempted rapist" is something on someone's record that could damn what GOP Senators playing defense in close races. Incumbents like Ted Cruz, Dean Heller, and Cyndi Hyde-Smith could see it bite them on the ass, because they're not exactly miles ahead of opponents in the polls. In Heller's case, he's already trailing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    This dead last when it comes to things that were even remotely important in America today.
    You did your part for America by pointing that out on a comic book message board.

    Now that that's out of the way, maybe the CBR politics thread can get back to actually affecting real change and righting the hundreds of wrongs that have plagued this country since inception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    "Voted for an attempted rapist" is something on someone's record that could damn what GOP Senators playing defense in close races. Incumbents like Ted Cruz, Dean Heller, and Cyndi Hyde-Smith could see it bite them on the ass, because they're not exactly miles ahead of opponents in the polls. In Heller's case, he's already trailing.
    Maybe so, however, enough people in Alabama voted for kiddie diddler Roy Moore, who's to say Republican voters won't support the likes of Cruz, Heller of Hyde-Smith, even if they give their blessing to Kavanaugh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Maybe so, however, enough people in Alabama voted for kiddie diddler Roy Moore, who's to say Republican voters won't support the likes of Cruz, Heller of Hyde-Smith, even if they give their blessing to Kavanaugh?
    I think it's hysterical the idea that in this day and age, someone who was planning to vote for Ted Cruz already would change their mind because of a vote for a hardline conservative judge.

    The same people voted for Trump and didn't give a **** about his past treatment of women. They post memes about not caring about that **** on Facebook.

    Delusional if you think that a vote for BK matters to anyone. Delusional if you think this dude's not going to be confirmed. He'll be championed as a hero after too for defeating the dems in their attacks and attempts to thwart confirmation. And if he is somehow not confirmed, he is considered a martyr who fell to the Deep State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Maybe so, however, enough people in Alabama voted for kiddie diddler Roy Moore, who's to say Republican voters won't support the likes of Cruz, Heller of Hyde-Smith, even if they give their blessing to Kavanaugh?
    It’s more the Republicans like Murkowski who could be vulnerable to it that would shy from supporting him. Then again the opposite danger is that Trump has already torpedoed Republicans who disagreed with him. The cult thing is strong

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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    Regardless of what we think the outcome may be, both individuals deserve to have their day in court regarding these allegations -- just because you might not "see" how there can be a conclusive result doesn't mean that a real and thorough investigation shouldn't move forward.

    Realistically speaking, said lack of relevant details only supports the argument for further investigation -- there are plenty of other people out there who might be able to place Kavanaugh at that party, or possibly prove that he was elsewhere that night.

    Both of the individuals in question deserve due process and so does the American public given Kavanaugh's potential lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court.

    Personally, I still stand by the fact that I think anyone nominated by Trump is suspect, if not invalid -- if it's determined (by Mueller) that he actively and knowingly used illegal means to help win the election then I think all of his appointees and the majority of his executive decisions should be disqualified and annulled: the way I was raised, we don't reward cheaters with victory -- certainly not with a Presidency -- and Trump is showing exactly why that rule exists.

    But I can put all of that aside and say that if a fair and thorough investigation finds Kavanaugh -- or Trump -- innocent and shows proof as such, then my opinion on the matter is irrelevant.
    My two questions would then be:

    1. How likely is this to go to court? Is there a statute of limitations? Would it get by a grand jury? Would a prosecutor want to
    Take on a 30 year old allegation?

    2. In the highly likely event that it ends up being inconclusive, what do you do? Do you give Kavanaugh the benefit of the doubt or virebjim as too much of a question mark?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    My two questions would then be:

    1. How likely is this to go to court? Is there a statute of limitations? Would it get by a grand jury? Would a prosecutor want to
    Take on a 30 year old allegation?

    2. In the highly likely event that it ends up being inconclusive, what do you do? Do you give Kavanaugh the benefit of the doubt or virebjim as too much of a question mark?
    I'm not going to bother putting the cart before the horse -- the bottom line is that this woman's accusations need to be heard, Kavanaugh needs to be given the chance to defend himself of said accusations, and the American public deserves a full accounting of both before nominating him to the Supreme Court.

    We'll ask any other relevant questions when we get there -- for now the focus should be on finding out the truth about Kavanaugh before we appoint him to office.

    Honestly, you come off as someone who only cares about politics as a tool of rhetoric: let's not forget that it wasn't that long ago that CBR had to shut down and reset the entire forum over sexist attacks aimed at one of it's guests. Things aren't going to change for the better unless people take a united stand against this kind of behavior in our society; you're so busy talking politics that you're ignoring the fact that this woman deserves to have her story taken seriously, not just for her sake but for sake of the nation as a whole.

    If she can take a stand then the very least we can do is support her decision to step forward and give her a real chance to be heard.

    The whole world is watching.

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    "Christine Blasey Ford: Kavanaugh accuser 'faces death threats'"

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45568450

    "Kavanaugh accuser forced out of her home over threats, lawyers say"

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...th-threats-and
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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    My two questions would then be:

    1. How likely is this to go to court? Is there a statute of limitations? Would it get by a grand jury? Would a prosecutor want to
    Take on a 30 year old allegation?
    Prosecutors here went after Bill Cosby after he'd been charged with raping several women back in the early 80's, even took him to court, and he's a good deal more well known than a judge no one heard until a month or so ago. So, it's not out of the realm of impossibility that Bob 'n' Weave Brett could face similar legal entanglements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Prosecutors here went after Bill Cosby after he'd been charged with raping several women back in the early 80's, even took him to court, and he's a good deal more well known than a judge no one heard until a month or so ago. So, it's not out of the realm of impossibility that Bob 'n' Weave Brett could face similar legal entanglements.
    There's also the matter of perjury, which might not be at all difficult to prove given Kavanaugh's blanket denial.

    Besides, I thought the Republicans liked investigations -- especially the kind that never seem to end.

    Hm -- wonder what changed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    I'm not going to bother putting the cart before the horse -- the bottom line is that this woman's accusations need to be heard, Kavanaugh needs to be given the chance to defend himself of said accusations, and the American public deserves a full accounting of both before nominating him to the Supreme Court.

    We'll ask any other relevant questions when we get there -- for now the focus should be on finding out the truth about Kavanaugh before we appoint him to office.

    Honestly, you come off as someone who only cares about politics as a tool of rhetoric: let's not forget that it wasn't that long ago that CBR had to shut down and reset the entire forum over sexist attacks aimed at one of it's guests. Things aren't going to change for the better unless people take a united stand against this kind of behavior in our society; you're so busy talking politics that you're ignoring the fact that this woman deserves to have her story taken seriously, not just for her sake but for sake of the nation as a whole.

    If she can take a stand then the very least we can do is support her decision to step forward and give her a real chance to be heard.

    The whole world is watching.

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    "Christine Blasey Ford: Kavanaugh accuser 'faces death threats'"

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45568450

    "Kavanaugh accuser forced out of her home over threats, lawyers say"

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...th-threats-and
    Lots to unpack here

    She was heard, she told her story, and Kavanaugh defended himself by denying it. The question is whether any further steps should be a testimony in Congress or a full on FBI investigation. Democrats will argue that an FBI investigation will be more comprehensive, Republicans will argue that it’s just a delaying tactic and won’t yield more than a Congrsssional testimony would.

    Well one of the the things you said earlier was that they should have their day in court. I asked if there was even a process for a court proceeding this late in the game? Cause if there is a statute of limitations, then you really won’t get that. That seems relevant right now based off that ask you made.

    We are in the politics thread, the reason we are discussing this in this thread is because of the political implications of it. If you want to talk about this divorced from politics there’s other threads that are strictly about this exact topic on this board. But you can’t try shame people for caring about the political side to this in the politics thread. Just seems like a way for you to only discuss it in the terms you want. In which case, like I said, there are other threads that you can discuss this in that aren’t focused on a political bend.

    Yeah this isn’t anything like why the board was shut down in the past. Nobody is attacking her on this board. But there is a specific context here that will have wide ranging political ramifications that can and should be discussed here. And this is the appropriate thread for it.

    Way too many people in this thread like to play moderator and say what they think can and can’t be discussed when it doesn’t fit the narrative of how they want to discuss it. Newsflash, Kavanaugh is nominated for a Supreme Court seat. If confirmed he will have huge say on constitutional interpretation for the next several. In the immediate future he could bebthe person shielding Trump from this Russian investigation. How this plays out politically in the next few weeks is a huge deal and effects everyone in thus country. Yeah its perfectly appropriate to discuss it under that lens. Because there’s a pretty good chance every single thing you said will be ignored, it will be used as part of political game, and whoever wins that can either save or screw over most people in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Prosecutors here went after Bill Cosby after he'd been charged with raping several women back in the early 80's, even took him to court, and he's a good deal more well known than a judge no one heard until a month or so ago. So, it's not out of the realm of impossibility that Bob 'n' Weave Brett could face similar legal entanglements.
    It’s possible but the going against Cosby was he was approaching 50 victims so you had a lot of at bats to find the right case that fell under the right parameters to go after him. Right now it’s just a single a person accusing Kavanaugh so if for whatever reason it’s too late to press charges on him, it’s kind of one and done unless the floodgates open

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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post

    "Christine Blasey Ford: Kavanaugh accuser 'faces death threats'"

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45568450

    "Kavanaugh accuser forced out of her home over threats, lawyers say"

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...th-threats-and
    As far as I know, the nomination of a new Supreme has NEVER gone off the rails like this one has. Not even the contentious situation with Clarence Thomas sunk to THIS level of batshit craziness. However, because Kavanaugh is a favored minion of Donald Trump, his deranged lemmings took it personally that this woman DARED to disparage the good judge's reputation, my guess is that by dragging Kavanaugh through the mud, she was doing likewise to their precious god emperor, and, in their warped minds, that was unacceptable. And people wonder why women are fearful of reporting rapes, especially against the rich and/or powerful, because of crazy **** just like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Well one of the the things you said earlier was that they should have their day in court. I asked if there was even a process for a court proceeding this late in the game? Cause if there is a statute of limitations, then you really won’t get that. That seems relevant right now based off that ask you made.
    It was a metaphorical statement: point being, both deserve due process and a real investigation into what happened that night and thus far that hasn't happened.

    We need to gather all of the relevant facts before we can make any real determination of what to do next -- I'm not going to make it more complicated than that.

    Feel free to disagree as you will and to ignore sexism (and racism) as you see fit but don't get upset with others just for pointing it out -- it just further demonstrates your lack of understanding regarding said issues.
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    Just a factoid: Maryland, where this event took place, has no statute of limitations for rape or attempted rape.

    I am not suggesting that he'll be charged or anything. I think that's unlikely, just that the statue of limitations isn't something that'll play a role in justice or lack thereof.
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