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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsubou View Post
    They are wearing MAGA hats to express their patriotic fervor and love of country. Even Kanye West wore a MAGA hat.

    Even if Trump will be out of office, some Trumpers will still wear MAGA hats.

    But I believe the kids should be more civil towards an elder, especially one who served his country.

    Everyone is entitled to the right to preserve their culture. White people trying to protect their white heritage is no more wrong than Mexicans, Native Americans, Blacks, Chinese and Japanese trying to protect their own heritages. But when a White man simply brags about his white heritage, he is called a racist and white supremacist.
    The bolded statement alone should be cause for concern but there is a lot more to this issue as a whole given it's historical context, especially in America.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with celebrating German or Scottish or Irish or Greek or Swedish (etc) heritage -- in fact there are numerous organizations, clubs, and holidays (such as St. Patrick's Day) that allow people do so publicly and without criticism.

    The celebration of "white" heritage is quite a bit more questionable due to it's history of discrimination, oppression, and even genocide against other non-white "cultures" -- it's not the celebration of "white' heritage that people dislike but all of the racism and often outright hatred that comes with it.



    Go spend a few days on Stormfront and see firsthand how "white heritage" is promoted amongst those who wish to preserve and celebrate it most, then come back and tell us more about how there is "nothing wrong" with how they are seeking to protect said heritage" by discriminating against others and at times promoting a "race war" -- whether it's Hitler or Dylan Roof, the preservation of "white culture" often has horrible consequences for those who aren't white.

    Just ask the Native Americans like the one in the video, or almost any other "minority" who has been singled out for not having "white heritage" throughout our nation's history -- celebration of one's own ("white") culture is fine, but the denigration, oppression and sometimes outright murder of "non-whites" is an unnecessary evil that seems to always lurk behind said celebration.

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    "Fourteen Words, 14, or 14/88, is a reference to the fourteen-word slogan “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children,” or less commonly "Because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the earth." The slogans were originally coined by white supremacist David Lane, a founding member of the terrorist organization The Order. The terms were coined while he was serving a 190-year sentence in federal prison for his role in violating the civil rights of Jewish talk show host Alan Berg, who was murdered by another member of the group in June 1984. The slogans were publicized through now-defunct 14 Word Press, founded in 1995 by Lane's wife to disseminate her husband's writings.

    Lane also used the phrasing in other pamphlets including the "14 points" of his White Genocide Manifesto and further in his 88 Precepts essay, stressing his support for racial and ethnic religions, opposition to universalism, his opposition to miscegenation, his anti-Americanism, and support for racial separatism. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Fourteen Words slogan is derived from a passage in Adolf Hitler's autobiographical book Mein Kampf, and since the rise of the Alt-Right, the Fourteen Words have become a popular Alt-Right meme.

    Lane was bitterly opposed to the continued existence of the United States as a political entity, labelling America the "murderer of the White race", and advocated domestic terrorism as a tool to carve out a "white homeland". To that end, Lane issued a declaration called "Moral Authority" published through now-defunct 14 Word Press and shared through the publications of Aryan Nations, World Church of the Creator and other white separatist groups, referring to the United States a "Red, White and Blue traveling mass murder machine" intent on committing genocide against white people. According to the declaration, "true moral authority belongs to those who resist" this purported genocide...

    In 2018, although dismissed by the US government as a coincidence, the Trump administration's United States Department of Homeland Security were accused of referencing both "88" in a document, and the Fourteen Words by creating a similar fourteen-worded title, starting with the same first three words ("We must secure"), in relation to illegal immigration and border control:

    We Must Secure The Border And Build The Wall To Make America Safe Again."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsubou View Post
    They are wearing MAGA hats to express their patriotic fervor and love of country. Even Kanye West wore a MAGA hat.

    Even if Trump will be out of office, some Trumpers will still wear MAGA hats.

    But I believe the kids should be more civil towards an elder, especially one who served his country.

    Everyone is entitled to the right to preserve their culture. White people trying to protect their white heritage is no more wrong than Mexicans, Native Americans, Blacks, Chinese and Japanese trying to protect their own heritages. But when a White man simply brags about his white heritage, he is called a racist and white supremacist.
    What is white culture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsubou View Post
    They are wearing MAGA hats to express their patriotic fervor and love of country. Even Kanye West wore a MAGA hat.
    No, they wore those hats to demonstrate their racism, xenophobia, homophobia and white privilege. Kanye wore one because he's a fucking moron.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsubou View Post
    Even if Trump will be out of office, some Trumpers will still wear MAGA hats.
    Highly unlikely. Once Trump leaves office, those hats will go into the trash.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsubou View Post
    Everyone is entitled to the right to preserve their culture. White people trying to protect their white heritage is no more wrong than Mexicans, Native Americans, Blacks, Chinese and Japanese trying to protect their own heritages. But when a White man simply brags about his white heritage, he is called a racist and white supremacist.
    That's because they often ARE racists and supremacists. Because butthurt white people go about "protecting their heritage" by hating, belittling and trying to crush the heritage of other races.

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    He accuses the vice president of using the shutdown as leverage. Wallace should've called a spade a spade: Trump is holding those workers hostage.

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    Two Years In, The Republican Party Faces An Uncertain Future In Trump’s Image

    Whether by resignation, impeachment, a 2020 loss or finishing a second term, Donald Trump one day will no longer lead the GOP he has so radically transformed. So then what? The GOP will collapse, plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Sorry, but those snot nosed punks made themselves the story by wearing those goddamn MAGA hats, I don’t give a shit if they’re high schoolers, they’re old enough know better. They’ve earned every bit of scorn they’ve gotten, and more.
    Doesn't help that one of the mothers blamed black Muslims for what her kid did that day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shooshoomanjoe View Post
    Doesn't help that one of the mothers blamed black Muslims for what her kid did that day.
    Apparently he was defending himself from black Muslims by staring down an elderly Native American veteran, just as Trump is defending us from "Muslim terror" by refusing (brown-skinned) asylum seekers, separating their families, and attempting to wall off the Southern border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    Apparently he was defending himself from black Muslims by staring down an elderly Native American veteran, just as Trump is defending us from "Muslim terror" by refusing (brown-skinned) asylum seekers, separating their families, and attempting to wall off the Southern border.
    The native American guy was also the one who approached the teen, not the other way around. If he was attempting to defuse the situation between the MAGA teens and the black protesters, why did he not also approach the blacks group?

    Att first I assumed the kids were the ones at fault until I read the kid's explanation. The video was apparently spliced and edited to make the kids look bad.

    https://news.yahoo.com/students-seen...155221338.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/student-trump...032440995.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsubou View Post
    The native American guy was also the one who approached the teen, not the other way around. If he was attempting to defuse the situation between the MAGA teens and the black protesters, why did he not also approach the blacks group?

    Att first I assumed the kids were the ones at fault until I read the kid's explanation. The video was apparently spliced and edited to make the kids look bad.

    https://news.yahoo.com/students-seen...155221338.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/student-trump...032440995.html
    You saw the video just like everyone else here and you are free to draw your own conclusions as there's really no point in debating perspective in this matter.

    If you'd like to know why he didn't approach the "black" group then you should ask him: again, there is a lot of historical context here that you are either ignorant of or deliberately ignoring, and without acknowledgement of said history, there's likewise little context for any discussion of the subject at hand.

    With that in mind, I look forward to you addressing the issue of "white pride" brought up in my previous post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shooshoomanjoe View Post
    What is white culture?

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    Either way wearing MAGA hats during multiple political marches featuring minorities is incredibly dumb.

    Though the 'Black Muslims' are afaik Black Israelites whom iirc are all kinds of crazy since they think their descended from Egyptians whom were all exclusively black and not the currently-unknown-but-highly-unlikely-to-be-african skin tones

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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    The bolded statement alone should be cause for concern but there is a lot more to this issue as a whole given it's historical context, especially in America.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words[/I]

    Once again the left wing media pursued an agenda with a story that did not represent the truth. These boys initiated nothing!

    Phillips, an elder of Nebraska's Omaha tribe confirmed he had walked up and there was no exchange in the manner the media had described.

    The "Native American" has pulled this stunt multiple times at frat houses and other venues. Grabbing his drum and deliberately confronting any ground of young people he thinks he can goad. Eye witness accounts and full videos of what happened show he initiated the confrontation. Nathan Phillips is a Vietnam vet with a long history of exactly this kind of thing. "Numerous videos show the students being approached by Phillips and a group of fellow Native American activists who were at the Lincoln Memorial for an Indigenous Peoples Rally that had ended earlier. Videos also show the students being harassed by a group of African-Americans who hurled racist and anti-gay insults at the students."

    The New York Times corrected its initial story. The paper admits that Mr. Phillips, the Native-American, approached the group of high school kids and caused the scene. The New York Times was facing a defamation lawsuit and made the correction quickly.

    It was Nathan Phillips, with his drum, who approached the teens in an "in-your-face" manner, not the other way around. Their own facial expressions only show that they weren't about to be intimidated.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...-nati-n2539334

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    Either way wearing MAGA hats during multiple political marches featuring minorities is incredibly dumb.

    Though the 'Black Muslims' are afaik Black Israelites whom iirc are all kinds of crazy since they think their descended from Egyptians whom were all exclusively black and not the currently-unknown-but-highly-unlikely-to-be-african skin tones
    Those guys show up in downtown Philly every now and then to preach to anyone who'll listen. And yeah, they're nuttier than a truckload of Planters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsubou View Post
    Once again the left wing media pursued an agenda with a story that did not represent the truth.
    So in your mind that makes them completely innocent -- because the "left wing" has an "agenda".

    Again -- you're free to draw your own conclusions, and to dodge the "white pride" issue as much as you see fit.

    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Those guys show up in downtown Philly every now and then to preach to anyone who'll listen. And yeah, they're nuttier than a truckload of Planters.
    If we argued that "white Christians" made them behave that way, it would be dismissed by most people as ridiculous, and rightly so.

    Instead, we generally call them out for their nonsense and place the blame firmly where it belongs -- on the individuals involved.

    Conversely, however, somehow that same logic doesn't apply to the "white kids" because... reasons.
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