All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!(Part II)

[Kirby101]

That seems to be a guy called Gary Land, or am I missing something?

Crap! You are right! It was a posting with other comic pros, my stupid mistake. I will take my post here down.

[PaulBullion]

I think you mean way to take a stand when you

1. Were not a policy maker so you couldn’t do anything
2. Were not in a position where you faced electoral risk from voters
3. When the majority of the country and the admin you were part of flipped stances
4. Then by the time of the 2016 election it was a decided issue because of the Supreme Court

But yes let’s pretend she was some hero for LGBT rights. By 2016 it was impossible to run as a Democrat and have the stance she had in 2008. There’s your reason. She’s always been policy via polling.

Again, she marched in a Pride parade in 2000. She gave that speech I linked in front of the UN as Secretary of State, and she also enforced stronger anti-discrimination regulations within the State Department,

In the U.S. Senate, she championed legislation to address hate crimes, fought for federal non-discrimination legislation to protect LGBT Americans in the workplace, and advocated for an end to restrictions that blocked LGBT Americans from adopting children.

Just because she (possibly wrongly, possibly correctly) felt that fighting for marriage equality would have been political suicide does not mean she wasn't a trail blazer for other LGBT rights in US politics. Certainly more so than Bernie Sanders.

[Mecegirl]

"porno, same face", I guess that is a good description of his reference heavy art work.

Lol. Whatever his political views are I'm not wrong about the art right?

[PaulBullion]

Lol. Whatever his political views are I'm not wrong about the art right?

He's a tracer.

[TheDarman]

Just because she (possibly wrongly, possibly correctly) felt that fighting for marriage equality would have been political suicide does not mean she wasn't a trail blazer for other LGBT rights in US politics. Certainly more so than Bernie Sanders.

That’s not terribly hard though. Sanders has never been a trailblazer for any real social program (except for the one I continuously give him credit for). This is why I saw him as an FDR and LBJ style politician: if it became politically inconvenient to address social issues, or risk his economic program, he’d happily forsake them for the benefit of those economic programs. He would pay lip service but he has done little else in his career to actually put action behind his words on social issues. He’s pretty much the other side of the coin that Obama and Clinton made currency: a focus on social progression, with economic policy being more moderate. Again, I will state a historical fact: there has never been a president with both a successful socially progressive policy and a successful economically populist policy. I will always come down on the side that social issues are more important and economic issues can be sorted out at the margins. Every time.

[The Overlord]

We're talking about her campaign platform.

Once again we're at a point where Hillary is not allowed to have had different positions earlier on, while others like Sanders get a pass on everything.

Also:

I wouldn't trust her to follow through on anything substantive, she supported the Iraq War, she supported her husband's policies on welfare cuts and mass incarceration. She talked about black teenagers as ''super predators'' back in the 90s, why is her record suddenly irrelevant? She was a maintainer of the status quo, like Obama and that status quo led to Trump, Trump is not a demon that rose from Hell to destory things, he is a product of the system and the system needs real change, not another neo liberal bandaid. Why should I believe she would have done any of that stuff in office? No one believed her, that is a big part of the reason why she lost. Her husband's policies were part of the problem and did she say they were wrong and she is going to change things and not repeat those politices when in office? Her husband's ''law and order'' policies saw a massive increase in the amount of minorties we see in prison, what she going to do to address that?

I would trust Sanders over Clinton any day of the week because he does seem like someone with more solid ideals, while Clinton will just change her position based on the poll numbers. The Clinton Democrats are a presssure valve for a failed system, we need a real reformer to change things for the better, not another politician who wants to maintain the failed status quo. Pick more leaders like Clinton and you will get more Trumps. She is not a real Progressive, she is a Center right politician who pays lip service to stuff like fighting racism and gay rights only when its convenitent, meanwhile she will pursue the same neo liberal policies that helped created the Trump movement in the first place.

[Tazirai]

Death Toll For California’s Wildfires Rises To 25

The Camp fire in Paradise is one of the three deadliest fires in California’s history. Which brings us to this....

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Firefighters Fight Trump’s Threats As California’s Deadly Wildfires Continue

President Trump blamed the wildfires on California’s “mismanagement.” The state’s largest group called him “dangerously wrong.”

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Lost my cousing Dominic last year to Cancer/smoke related condition from the Wildfires last year.

[skyvolt2000]

He's a tracer.

Of the HIGHEST order.

Yet no one cares when he draws X-Men that he does that.

Yet let him do Mighty Avengers-it's an ISSUE. Gee I should ask Falcon, Luke Cage, White Tiger, Power Man Jr, Blue Marvel & Monica about that. I guess traced POC is a turn off for some.

[Tazirai]

dumbass mistake on my part. post removed.

I was gonna say, That's Gary Land... Lol.

Of the HIGHEST order.

Yet no one cares when he draws X-Men that he does that.

Yet let him do Mighty Avengers-it's an ISSUE. Gee I should ask Falcon, Luke Cage, White Tiger, Power Man Jr, Blue Marvel & Monica about that. I guess traced POC is a turn off for some.

I do. I hate how he draws women with skinny boy legs,and giant boobies.

[Tazirai]

That’s not terribly hard though. Sanders has never been a trailblazer for any real social program (except for the one I continuously give him credit for). This is why I saw him as an FDR and LBJ style politician: if it became politically inconvenient to address social issues, or risk his economic program, he’d happily forsake them for the benefit of those economic programs. He would pay lip service but he has done little else in his career to actually put action behind his words on social issues. He’s pretty much the other side of the coin that Obama and Clinton made currency: a focus on social progression, with economic policy being more moderate. Again, I will state a historical fact: there has never been a president with both a successful socially progressive policy and a successful economically populist policy. I will always come down on the side that social issues are more important and economic issues can be sorted out at the margins. Every time.

I disagree, as we see the same thing and draw different conclusions. But /shrug.

[The Overlord]

That’s not terribly hard though. Sanders has never been a trailblazer for any real social program (except for the one I continuously give him credit for). This is why I saw him as an FDR and LBJ style politician: if it became politically inconvenient to address social issues, or risk his economic program, he’d happily forsake them for the benefit of those economic programs. He would pay lip service but he has done little else in his career to actually put action behind his words on social issues. He’s pretty much the other side of the coin that Obama and Clinton made currency: a focus on social progression, with economic policy being more moderate. Again, I will state a historical fact: there has never been a president with both a successful socially progressive policy and a successful economically populist policy. I will always come down on the side that social issues are more important and economic issues can be sorted out at the margins. Every time.

Why is it an either or question? Racism and povetry are interlinked issues, you can't address racism without realizing that racist policies like redlining created poverty in the black community.

She and her husband promoted structural racism through mass incarceration and she called black teenagers super predators in the 90s. Some lip service on gay rights does not negate her bad record.

I do not care if she is going to march in the gay rights parade every year, when her policies will be more mass incarceration and more wars to make defense contractors happy.

[PaulBullion]

I was gonna say, That's Gary Land... Lol.



I do. I hate how he draws women with skinny boy legs,and giant boobies.

I still blame him for the latest run on Spider-Woman getting off to a rocky start the series never recovered from.

But hey kids, politics.

[PaulBullion]

Why is it an either or question? Racism and povetry are interlinked issues, you can't address racism without realizing that racist policies like redlining created poverty in the black community.

She and her husband promoted structural racism through mass incarceration and she called black teenagers super predators in the 90s. Some lip service on gay rights does not negate her bad record.

I do not care if she is going to march in the gay rights parade every year, when her policies will be more mass incarceration and more wars to make defense contractors happy.

Oh, brother.

Sanders actually voted for the bill that led to more incarcerations, a bill that was also supported by many outspoken and influential figures in the black community. But you do you.

[Iron Maiden]

That statement only makes even a bit of sense if you ignore her entire history when it comes to marriage equality.

So, yeah. Way to not be afraid to tackle marriage equality after almost everyone else had already tackled marriage equality.

So you lose either way, eh? You can't at least acknowledge that their views have changed? What about those who never changed from that position?

[The Overlord]

Oh, brother.

Sanders actually voted for the bill that led to more incarcerations, a bill that was also supported by many outspoken and influential figures in the black community. But you do you.

And what evidence is there are that Clinton would be better then Sanders when it comes to ending structural racism through mass incarceration? I think you are ignoring who is more supportive of this system:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.vox....-incarceration

Also are her comments on black teenagers as " super predators" irrelevant now? What about her vote for the war in Iraq?

I would trust Sanders to put more effort into fighting the mass incarceration system then I would Clinton, who I think would continue it. And how many black leaders support the mass incarceration system today? What would she have done to fight if given power?