All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!(Part II)

[Iron Maiden]

I was gonna say, That's Gary Land... Lol.



I do. I hate how he draws women with skinny boy legs,and giant boobies.

I think you mean Greg Land, also famous for using "O" faces and recycling the same pose numerous time. Here's an older blog post that pretty much summarizes his various tracings, recyclings, porn faces, etc.

[Gray Lensman]

And what evidence is there are that Clinton would be better then Sanders when it comes to ending structural racism through mass incarceration? I think you are ignoring who is more supportive of this system:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.vox....-incarceration

Also are her comments on black teenagers as " super predators" irrelevant now? What about her vote for the war in Iraq?

A lot of people were taken in by the lies preceding that one. I remember Colin Powell's UN speech and many otherwise anti war people I knew were saying invade after it. Of course, it turned out to have been based on a load of crap, but at the time it wasn't as obvious as it is now. And to follow it up with Rumsfeld insisting on having no plan for after the war (despite the plan for fighting the war itself being brilliant) which is largely, er, mostly responsible for the Daesch cluster.....

[Tazirai]

I still blame him for the latest run on Spider-Woman getting off to a rocky start the series never recovered from.

But hey kids, politics.

I agree with you on this. Spider Woman is one of my favorite characters. Even if she's not a TRUE Spider Totem.

[Tazirai]

Why is it an either or question? Racism and povetry are interlinked issues, you can't address racism without realizing that racist policies like redlining created poverty in the black community.

She and her husband promoted structural racism through mass incarceration and she called black teenagers super predators in the 90s. Some lip service on gay rights does not negate her bad record.

I do not care if she is going to march in the gay rights parade every year, when her policies will be more mass incarceration and more wars to make defense contractors happy.

Oh, brother.

Sanders actually voted for the bill that led to more incarcerations, a bill that was also supported by many outspoken and influential figures in the black community. But you do you.

Spoiler alert, You're both right, and wrong. But hey Politics.

So let's add in some Context...

VOX--- Bernie Sanders voted for the 1994 tough-on-crime law. But it's complicated.

Sanders was, based on his comments in Congress at the time, unhappy with mass incarceration. So why did he vote for the 1994 law that's drawn so much criticism from critics of mass incarceration, and what does that mean for Sanders today?

Sanders framed the 1994 crime law as a compromise
While the Clintons have defended the 1994 crime law until quite recently, Sanders was always careful to point out that he saw the law as a compromise — and regularly stated his concerns with mass incarceration.

In 1994, for example, he said that he would support it because it included the Violence Against Women Act, which helped crack down on domestic violence and rape. Sanders said:

[Tazirai]

[Tazirai]

Context

[Tazirai]

More context.

I may dislike Hillary more than her Husband, but I want to be fair to both...

[The Overlord]

A lot of people were taken in by the lies preceding that one. I remember Colin Powell's UN speech and many otherwise anti war people I knew were saying invade after it. Of course, it turned out to have been based on a load of crap, but at the time it wasn't as obvious as it is now. And to follow it up with Rumsfeld insisting on having no plan for after the war (despite the plan for fighting the war itself being brilliant) which is largely, er, mostly responsible for the Daesch cluster.....

There were people in Congress and the Senate who voted against the war, yeah it was a tough choice, but doing the right thing should be hard sometimes. She could have looked into whether these claims were true or not, but she didn't, she did the easy thing rather then the right thing.

She seems like a war hawk and another servant of the military industrial complex. She would just maintain the same old policies on these issues, more wars and more meat grinders to put US soldiers into.

[Tazirai]

And Lastly...



Let's be clear. I DESPISE the Clintons, even though my first EVER vote was for Bill Clinton when I turned 18.
But the Clintons have not aged well.
Barack might not age well, but his results have had better outcomes than the Clintons.

Hillary apologized for her role in Mass incarceration, and I accept it.
However when we go after each other over our preferred person. Let's be honest and post the actual RELEVANT information.
WBE posts remarkably detailed info on Conservatives, but honestly has blinders on when it comes to me and him over Sanders.
Do I personally have Blinders on for Sanders? Sometimes yes, because I believe the way the country is headed in is his vision. Do I agree with him on Everything? No. I can go after him when he does something I dislike and in the old thread I did consistently.

So when we do the "BOTH SIDES" thing. Let's make sure to post relevant data and the context these things occur in.

[Tazirai]

There were people in Congress and the Senate who voted against the war, yeah it was a tough choice, but doing the right thing should be hard sometimes. She could have looked into whether these claims were true or not, but she didn't, she did the easy thing rather then the right thing.

She seems like a war hawk and another servant of the military industrial complex. She would just maintain the same old policies on these issues, more wars and more meat grinders to put US soldiers into.

Another Reason Barbara Lee deserves to be Speaker.

[Gray Lensman]

There were people in Congress and the Senate who voted against the war, yeah it was a tough choice, but doing the right thing should be hard sometimes. She could have looked into whether these claims were true or not, but she didn't, she did the easy thing rather then the right thing.

She seems like a war hawk and another servant of the military industrial complex. She would just maintain the same old policies on these issues, more wars and more meat grinders to put US soldiers into.

She has always been one of the more hawkish Democrats.

[Mister Mets]

What exactly is so wrong about encouraging Central Americans to immigrate here? Much of the wealth of the United States was built on the systematic exploitation and plunder of Latin America through puppet dictators that continues to this day, it's only fair that those people be allowed to share in the prosperity that their resources and labor helped to achieve. The economic power of white America has always been driven by the suppression of minorities, and so the "greatness" that whites achieved was never going to be sustainable, undermined as it was by the idealistic notions of freedom and equality they constantly espoused but rarely saw fit to live by.

The problem with the caravan is about how they're coming to the country. I believe we should not encourage families to walk from Central America to the United States in order to make asylum claims that are more likely than not to be rejected.

I'm open to proposals about how to change the legal immigration system to take in more people from Central America, and if anyone thinks we should just establish an ad hoc policy accepting caravans/ making it much easier to gain entry through asylum claims, that should be stated and argued.

Research into Ben Jealous losing the MD Governorship.

Larry Hogan is also one of the most popular Governors in the country, which may be the big reason the top-tier potential Democratic candidates (current and former statewide officeholders, members of Congress) decided they'd rather not run.

Yes. Ojeda took a 46 point deficit and only lost by 3 points. that's a 43 point gain. Bernie won West Virginia in the primaries. ALL across the country this week, Populists and centrists won in DEEPLY Red Districts.
This is NOT 1980 and we're playing by the same rules or Tip Oneal and Reagan.

Dude, Progressives or Conservatives, this is a DIFFERENT ERA. Why don't people understand this is beyond me.
Even a LOSS is a win, that on the next election can be flipped. You think Beto O'rourke loses next round when he came Within 2 points?

NEW ERA. People are VASTLY mnore informed and less about Party loyalty and pleasing the Centrists.

Ojeda lost by 13 points, not 3.

https://ballotpedia.org/West_Virgini...election,_2018

He also had a weaker opposition, running against an obscure state delegate (Manchin ran against the state attorney general.)

It also does appear Joe Manchin overperformed Ojeda.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...elections.html

[The Overlord]

She has always been one of the more hawkish Democrats.

And that's why I do not buy her as this progressive social rights champion people are touting her as. I do not care if she is going march in the gay pride parade every year, if she is going to be a war hawk. I want fewer wars, not more. I want less power for the military indusrial complex, not more.

[Mister Mets]

Because Mets, and MANY Americans honestly do not understand jus how rich of a nation we truly are.

One of the primary reasons why racism is still on our radars is that a couple hundred years ago, rich whites told poor whites, if we free the slaves, they'll take your jobs. Then they told poor whites and blacks, the asians, the Italians, the jews, etc. etc. are coming to take your ****.

Rich white people will consistently protect their wealth, to the detriment of the country. Then they make it seem like it's our fault for not being rich or needing help. We literally strip away Regulations, and Consumer Protections to help and give welfare to people who don't need it.
Bezos makes 26-28k every ten seconds. He makes my yearly salary in 20 seconds. He's not bustin his ass everyday like his workers are. In the time it takes to make a cup of joe he's amassed another 2-3 million.
But the Conservatives, and some YES- Corporate Democrats will make the excuse, if we tax Bezos his workers will be harmed.

Now it's we don't have the money to help immigrants. But we ALWAYS have money to murder people in other countries.

I think you should encourage Democratic officeholders and candidates to take the position that we should tax the rich more in order to provide financial support to immigrants.

For every gain made by a Democrat, it's one step closer to eliminating gerrymandering.

Why wouldn't they gerrymander in their own favor?

They need it more.

I think you mean way to take a stand when you

1. Were not a policy maker so you couldn’t do anything
2. Were not in a position where you faced electoral risk from voters
3. When the majority of the country and the admin you were part of flipped stances
4. Then by the time of the 2016 election it was a decided issue because of the Supreme Court

But yes let’s pretend she was some hero for LGBT rights. By 2016 it was impossible to run as a Democrat and have the stance she had in 2008. There’s your reason. She’s always been policy via polling.

It's a bit weird that every major Democrat running for President in 2008 was against gay marriage. This is hardly something that made Hillary unique.

She did come out in favor of it prior to the court decision.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ntial-campaign

Lost my cousing Dominic last year to Cancer/smoke related condition from the Wildfires last year.

I'm sorry for your loss.

[The Overlord]

And Lastly...



Let's be clear. I DESPISE the Clintons, even though my first EVER vote was for Bill Clinton when I turned 18.
But the Clintons have not aged well.
Barack might not age well, but his results have had better outcomes than the Clintons.

Hillary apologized for her role in Mass incarceration, and I accept it.
However when we go after each other over our preferred person. Let's be honest and post the actual RELEVANT information.
WBE posts remarkably detailed info on Conservatives, but honestly has blinders on when it comes to me and him over Sanders.
Do I personally have Blinders on for Sanders? Sometimes yes, because I believe the way the country is headed in is his vision. Do I agree with him on Everything? No. I can go after him when he does something I dislike and in the old thread I did consistently.

So when we do the "BOTH SIDES" thing. Let's make sure to post relevant data and the context these things occur in.

Sanders is not perfect, but we need someone to move the needle. During the 90s the Dems became a center right party and the GOP became a far right party. We need an actual left wing party and for that to happen we need to burn and bury the Clinton machine and keep the Clintons far away from the offices of power. She failed in 2016, consign her neo liberal ideas to the dustbin of history.