All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!(Part II)

[Dalak]

I'm trying not to let these crazy times make me too cynical to stop speaking up.

Don't let them! #30 isn't letting his endless anti-Clinton rants go despite all those ignoring them or criticizing the obvious obsession involved, so don't let him tell you you're wasting your breath on anything.

[Dalak]

I thought we are supposed to support things that are popular and better than the worst thing.

Everyone knows your only 2 choices are MSNBC or Fox with no viable news outlets elsewhere online or on TV, so it's totally the same thing!

[SquirrelMan]

I thought we are supposed to support things that are popular and better than the worst thing.

Waffles waffles waffles!

Waffles waffles waffles.

[catbellysqueezer]

Everyone knows your only 2 choices are MSNBC or Fox with no viable news outlets elsewhere online or on TV, so it's totally the same thing!

There would be more than 2 choices if people didn't vote for people who want there to only be 2 choices and then go around telling everyone they must select from those 2 choices even though there is a third choice that represents the majority of US citizens beliefs according to polling.

[SquirrelMan]

There would be more than 2 choices if people didn't vote for people who want there to only be 2 choices and then go around telling everyone they must select from those 2 choices even though there is a third choice that represents the majority of US citizens beliefs according to polling.

[Malvolio]

I thought we are supposed to support things that are popular and better than the worst thing.

We should support CANDIDATES that are better than the worst thing when they are the only two viable choices. When it comes to the media, there really are a lot more than just two choices. That said, I will never believe that a network that employs Rachel Madow and Chris Hayes is all bad.

[zinderel]

Wait... are you saying Supreme Court justices are actually nominated by the Presidents we elect and confirmed by the Senators we elect and not created by Zeus fucking swans?

Let me write this **** DOWN!

Lol. I know, right?! SHOCKING.

[Carabas]

Serious question...

We are in mid-November. Dems have managed to do well during the elections.

What do you think the odds are that any of those things become a priority?

They don't just need to do well, they need to do well enough to override a presidential veto, otherwise any such legislation they'd work on would just be pissing in the wind.

[worstblogever]

The responses in this thread have made me even less likely to vote for a Democrat. It's like they have all their posts pre-screened by Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

This is ironic, as I have listed DWS as an example of one of the worst people in her own party. She wanted to be the head of the DNC because she liked being on cable news all the time. She got handed a party chair that was soaring as of '06, and when she took over in '08, spent 8 years abandoning their 50 state strategy, f***ing up messaging while her party passed healthcare, and then was too dumb to lay low after doing a miserable job in the buildup to the 2016 DNC, and had to be talked out of giving herself primetime speeches.

I have never seen anyone on this forum has any love for Wasserman-Schultz, or defend her in any way. She's the one of the worst 5 members of her caucus, and I've been wishing for her to be unseated in a primary for the past four years, at least.

[catbellysqueezer]

Well, people could always try voting for someone other than her.

[aja_christopher]

Well, people could always try voting for someone other than her.

And you could "try" voting for a mainstream Democrat like Hillary who went to bat for universal health care over two decades ago, but apparently you'd rather sit here and fight with people you essentially agree with.

At this point -- and given your repeated interjection of that oversized Thanos image into an otherwise nuanced discussion -- it seems you're just doing this for the attention, so this is my last reply to you on the issue.

The fact that you keep purposely misrepresenting those you disagree with -- including the majority of us on this forum -- shows that you'll find something to argue with regardless of what people here say, which makes trying to hold a reasonable discussion with you largely a waste of time.

[Gray Lensman]

Well, people could always try voting for someone other than her.

That's difficult to pull off from Nevada.

[Mister Mets]

We got a health care bill that fines people who can't afford insurance that even Obama admitted was an idea stolen from the conservative think-tank Heritage Foundation.

The fine is more about people who don't want to pay for it rather than those who can't afford to pay for it.

The heritage foundation comments were also more about presenting the bill as moderate and Republicans as intransigent for their opposition than about dismissing the left who would not have the voted for something more ambitious.

[catbellysqueezer]

I made a new thread so people don't have to sift through all this stuff to read the news:

Here.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Women can vote, Black people can vote, gay people can get married, trans people are allowed to exist outside of freak shows and mental hospitals, unions exist, weekends exist, the 40 hour work week exists, maternity leave exists, we had a black president, we had a serious female candidate, we've got atheists and socialists and Muslims in positions of power around the country, we have female Supreme Court justices, we got the ACA, DADT was repealed, public schools and infrastructure got a huge boost thanks to socialist policies, abortion is legal and so on.

SURE, it's not all perfect, and sure, regressives in either party try to repeal and destroy these progressive wins at every opportunity when they win over their more progressive opponents, but I guess that if perfect is the goal and anything less is failure, the way some here seem to be saying, then I guess we really have accomplished nothing and made no progress and only people who garner a fraction of the electorate's support and the heroic loners who vote for them can save us...

OH WAIT...

And this all happened with every President being a Democrat and Congress having a Democratic majority with a left leaning Supreme Court. So every person has to dogmatically put their own interests and personal values aside to vote for Democratic candidates they don't find commonality with to appease the incontrovertible truth that the absolute worst defcon one scenario is that the byproduct of supporting a third party means Democrats might lose.

OH WAIT...