All-purpose news and politics thread: Two Steps Beyond!(Part II)

[Kirby101]

Let's keep defending these racists, shall we.

[jetengine]

Let's keep defending these racists, shall we.

Whats the symbol again ? I'm assuming its something to do with 14 words.

[Kirby101]

Whats the symbol again ? I'm assuming its something to do with 14 words.

It's the White Supremist's sign.

[zinderel]

Whats the symbol again ? I'm assuming its something to do with 14 words.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...ght-wing-troll

In most cases - especially teen boys - it's just trolling because apparently that's a thing happening offline, now, too. It was invented on 4chan, the abscessed armpit chancre of the internet, as a 'let's troll some libtards' thing. But then racists began using it unironically (because expecting a bigot to understand nuance, humor, or irony is...like expecting a non-cartoon tree to belt out a song), thus 'evolving' a troll sign into a genuine bigot hand signal.

Basically, it is no different than a teenager wearing blackface 'ironically', or a teen dressing in a white robe and hood 'for teh lulz'. It is a racist symbol, and when used by white kids - trolling or not - those kids are gonna get accused of racism, and no one is gonna feel bad about it. They need to learn that there are consequences to their actions (not that I expect a bunch of over-privileged white boys from a catholic prep school with a history of rapists and racists among their alumni to ever actually suffer any consequences from any decision they make, since their parents will just shield them, as always) now, before trolling turns into genuine, unironic racism and votes in support of fascism.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Trump voters now blame him for the government shutdown

The five watt bulb finally went on for Trumpanzees, eh? I’m delighted.

You could always not say something. That be fine.

I couldn’t agree more. Considering the dead LAST thing the NRA wanted was black people being armed, the hypocrisy with that statement was staggering.

[aja_christopher]

With the "Hebrew Israelites" you do seem to be equating the two groups. I clearly and unambiguously believe that the adults who started the altercation by shouting at strangers, and yelled about how they're incest babies are worse. Your language seems to suggest the high school kids and Hebrew Israelites are on the same level (IE- you suggest that they are "guilty of poor behavior as well" and that I'm obligated to not defend the kids because you don't defend the Hebrew Israelites, which only follows if the two groups are just as bad.)

The point is that you have no proof that they aren't "bad" -- you only have your opinion, and biased articles which back said opinion. This isn't about who was "worse" -- it's about holding all involved accountable for their actions, rather than trying to justify either sides' "poor behavior".

Many people who watched that video feel that those kids behaved inappropriately regardless of whatever "provocation" may have been aimed at them -- the "Hebrew Israelites" are not responsible for the actions of the MAGA kids with regards to Nathan Phillips no matter how you try to spin it. They are responsible for their own actions, just like the individuals who yelled insults at them.

And with regards to the issue of Obama -- again -- you can't dodge nor escape from the hypocrisy that permeates your party, especially when you primarily only make an issue of this kind of behavior when the "left" might be guilty of it.

Whether it's Steve King, Trump, or some kids who support them in MAGA hats, you'll almost always find a way to insert "plausible deniability" into their behavior, so you shouldn't act at all surprised when others call you out for it or discount it as the usual defense of racist behavior that we see within Republican ranks.

Trump himself being the perfect example of said behavior with his MAGA supporters not far behind -- all propped up by your support of said party.

A lot of those "conservative" critics are still accusing Obama of being a Muslim -- or still hate him solely because he is black -- so let's not act as if said "dishonesty" is some remnant of the past when the "original birther" and known racist Trump won the Republican primaries in almost unprecedented fashion and is now the (Republican) president, actively promoting racist policy, like Muslim bans and border walls, at will.

Put simply: if you don't want to be accused of supporting racism, then you shouldn't support a racist, whether with a hat or with posts on a message board.

[Kirby101]

"Good people on both sides" aja. Leader said so.

[Mister Mets]

Stop talking **** Mets.

Left wing media makes a mistake and everyone jumps on it. Right wing media sells conspiracy theories and bullshit as ne- oh sorry 'Entertainment' and its ignored.

The point of the media is not to make mistakes, and to report what is happening accurately.

I am unaware of everyone jumping on the left's mistake here. If that had happened, there wouldn't be the back and forth.

As for the flaws of the right wing media, the mainstream doesn't hold Fox News or the New York Post to the same level of respect as CNN or the Washington Post.

Let's keep defending these racists, shall we.

Were those specific kids identified as being in the video?

The point is that you have no proof that they aren't "bad" -- you only have your opinion, and articles which back said opinion. It's not about who was "worse" -- it's about holding all involved accountable for their actions, rather than trying to justify either sides' "poor behavior".

Many people who watched that video feel that those kids behaved inappropriately regardless of whatever "provocation" may have been aimed at them -- the "Hebrew Israelites" are not responsible for the actions of the MAGA kids with regards to Nathan Phillips no matter how you try to spin it. They are responsible for their own actions, just like the individuals who yelled insults at them.

And with regards to the issue of Obama -- again -- you can't dodge nor escape from the hypocrisy that permeates your party, especially when you primarily only make an issue of this kind of behavior when the "left" might be guilty of it.

Whether it's Steve King, Trump, or some kids who support them in MAGA hats, you'll almost always find a way to insert "plausible deniability" into their behavior, so you shouldn't act at all surprised when others call you out for it or discount it as the usual defense of racist behavior that we see within Republican ranks.

Trump himself being the perfect example of said behavior with his MAGA -- and other Republican -- supporters (like yourself) not far behind.

What specific actions did the kids do that were so bad as to deserve national scrutiny?

On this board, I am willing to criticize people on the right, and probably have a better record doing so than most of the liberals do on criticizing the left.

[Kirby101]

Were those specific kids identified as being in the video?

[aja_christopher]

The point of the media is not to make mistakes, and to report what is happening accurately.

I am unaware of everyone jumping on the left's mistake here. If that had happened, there wouldn't be the back and forth.

You still have absolutely no proof that a "mistake" was made -- only your opinion that the kids in the video were justified in their behavior due to provocation by "black Israelites".

And the reason they are getting national scrutiny is because someone filmed them acting disrespectfully towards a Native American veteran and the "nation" responded accordingly -- just because you may not agree with said scrutiny doesn't mean that it isn't warranted.

On this board, I am willing to criticize people on the right, and probably have a better record doing so than most of the liberals do on criticizing the left.

While some of the Sanders supporters here probably have you beat in that regard, the truth is that you have an obvious blind spot when it comes to the issue of racism in your party -- something we've spoken about many times before, which is why I often say it's redundant to repeatedly discuss said issue with you.

[Iron Maiden]

The five watt bulb finally went on for Trumpanzees, eh? I’m delighted.



I couldn’t agree more. Considering the dead LAST thing the NRA wanted was black people being armed, the hypocrisy with that statement was staggering.

Plus having a concealed carry wouldn't have helped against a sniper. Just like having a concealed carry would not have helped you against a nut going to Las Vegas armed with enough guns for a small army and shooting down hundreds of people from a hotel room.

[skyvolt2000]

And how about we just tell it for what it is and that the MAGA hat kids are a bunch of dick shits who have no business being assholes to someone they don't even know.

A bunch of kids are racist assholes why is this hard to comprehend? People can indeed see the light and change, but for the time being why don't we just take racism at face value. The kids are assholes, that simple.

Because it doesn't fit an agenda. If those were black males doing that-you would see NO EFFORT to show the whole video or try to convince folks that the Native American was in the wrong or whatever.

Who cares who started it? Those kids could have walked away or ignored the man. All this has done is OPEN the door for every little dirty thing that school has done to POC to come out.

[Tendrin]

They shouted 'build that wall' and made tomahawk chops and 'war whoops' and such.

They knew what they were doing and as evidenced from stories aobut the school and photos, this isn't behavior that's out of the ordinary for Cov-Cath.

There's really no 'defense' of them. Nuance can only explain /how/ it got to that point but it does not change their actions, nor the smirking white privelege born of elite insularity.

[Kirby101]

posted by Bill Sienkiewicz



I post a lot of 'in memoriam' pieces. THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM. THIS is a TRIBUTE to a decent hardworking honorable man who is VERY MUCH ALIVE-- and should be honored and respected. #Unite #NathanPhillips #NativeAmerican #OmahaNation #Vietnamveteraan #StopTheHate #Resistance

[PwrdOn]

What specific actions did the kids do that were so bad as to deserve national scrutiny?

On this board, I am willing to criticize people on the right, and probably have a better record doing so than most of the liberals do on criticizing the left.

The kids are just a symptom of the larger problem, which predates Trump, of affluent white boys generally not being held accountable for anything, which in turn encourages them to act like dickheads because they have armies of right wing commentators defending them in the name of triggering the libs or promoting white heritage or whatever nonsense. And what the hell were those kids doing there in the first place? What teenage boy have you ever met that had an informed and nuanced opinion on the merits of abortion and women's rights, never mind Native American issues?